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I've no idea which date it was made (I could probably find out, but I'm not that interested in history to be honest), but just the upload date is enough to make it look like a pretty ******** example to use for making a point on how hisec works today.

Some food for thought for those out there who are tired of this so called event and want to get back to enjoying their paid hobby:


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A griefer is a player who does things in a game to deliberately cause annoyance ("grief" in the sense of "giving someone grief") with the intent of deriving pleasure primarily or exclusively from the act of causing another player grief. Such a player is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities, since griefers often cannot be deterred by penalties related to in-game goals.

Exact griefing methods differ from game to game, an act of griefing in an area of one game may be an intended function or mechanic of another game or the same game in another "area." Common methods may include but are not exclusive to:
Player killing in games that do not have separate areas, or an option, to keep those who want this type of gameplay from attacking those who do not. This does not include games that are designed with constant player combat in mind.
Intentional friendly fire or deliberately performing actions detrimental to team members' game performance, including wasting key game elements and colluding with the opposition for the primary or exclusive purpose of causing grief to team members and deriving pleasure from that act rather than deriving some benefit.(referred to as "ghosting")
Any methods of reversing another player's progress for the primary or exclusive purpose of causing grief to team members and deriving pleasure from that act rather than deriving some benefit. (such as randomly destroying other players' creations in Minecraft or Terraria) Written and/or verbal insults, false accusations of cheating/griefing
Stealing other players' items and/or experience (when done for the purpose of harassment, not self-gain)
Spamming when done with an element of intent to bother other players rather than derive some benefit.
Camping at a corpse or area to kill someone as soon as they resurrect when done for the sole purpose of causing grief to another player or players. Acting out-of-character in a role-play setting when done with the intent of harming of disrupting the game play of others. Luring many monsters or one big one to chase the griefer and then rushing to where others are (kiting), for the purpose of getting other people killed by this surprise mass of monsters. The line of monsters in pursuit looks like a train, and hence this is sometimes called "training". Blocking another player's way so they cannot move or get out of a particular area, or access an in-game resource (such as a non-player character) for the purpose of harming that player without deriving any benefit from the act Deliberately blocking shots from your own team or blocking a player's view by standing in front of them so they can not damage the enemy with the sole purpose of harming your own team, rather than deriving a benefit from doing so.

A hostile environment exists when an person or persons' experiences harassment and fears because of the offensive, intimidating, or oppressive atmosphere generated by the harasser or harassers.

Cyberstalking. Cyberstalking is the use of the Internet, email or other electronic communications to stalk, and generally refers to a pattern of threatening or malicious behaviors. Cyberstalking may be considered the most dangerous of the three types of Internet harassment, based on a posing credible threat of harm. Sanctions range from misdemeanors to felonies.

http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/telecom/cyberstalking-and-cyberharassment-laws.aspx

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You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.

You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)

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You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site.

Thread soon to be locked OP can I have your stuff if you quit?

Just so you know, I have friends, good friends, that both gank defenseless ships, mine, plex, mission and rat. I don’t know anyone that lives in null that doesn’t associate with all kinds. I’m certain if you ever checked Goon & Test’s membership, they both have large blocks of care bears. My main is actually a member of a null sec alliance that has lost a few members of this type, mostly because we were just too PVP for them. They wanted a more stable alliance that had secure plexing, ratting & such.

When the subject comes up, I always say how I feel, I’m just not into killing newb’s, or ships that can’t shoot back. Just not fun for me personally. This is my personnel opinion, you all know how those are.

So my opinion is as such.

if a player commits a crime in high sec, IE they gank someone, unprovoked I sincerely believe CCP should invoke the following.

In my opinion they should receive an instant -10 status. They then should not be able to dock in any high sec station for any reason. Once concord does catch up to them, there ship should obviously be destroyed. When this happens, lol the only place they can get a new ship is low or nul sec. So it’s a pod for them, off to low sec they go. Once they get a new ship, and try to return to high sec, the jump gates to high sec, should simply not work for them until they manage to rebuild there security status to what’s appropriate for the specific High Sec system They’re trying to enter. In other words, they then get to enjoy some quality ratting and missioning, with many other people that like to kill and gank things that reside there. Seems simple enough to me. Personally I wouldn’t mind those changes a bit.

Last thing, I think Matinni, or how ever you say it, is a real life crazy person, that belongs in a jail some where. Crazier that a box of frogs. History has taught us to be careful with these types. Last one I remember, had a first name called Adolf, had many followers. I wouldn’t blame CCP for never letting him back in any fashion.

Good job, you won our argument for us.

You know one thing that was clear form the vid's. I viewed of fan fest. CCP them selves are committed to not forcing people to play in a way they choose not too. I remember hearing many high people on stage repeat that over and over, and on virtually every occurrence of topics that were a prelude to implying that people should be forced into anything, receiving a look of distain from the presenter on stage, followed by clearly stating that is not what CCP wants to do. Who do you really think's gonna win this, CCP or the Crazy guy. lol

When Gimmements want to tax you without looking like a bunch of bald faced liars, they add sur-charges and user fees to gimmement services. It's still tax but they can play Robert Shapiro and do it anyway.

That's how it works in EVE. CCP don't call it 'griefing' but a duck is a duck and we all know better. The differnce between the two is, you might not be able to escape gimmement and tax but you can escape EVE and griefing. So, why are you still here?

please don't try to solve the issue with a single sentence from the whole of what I wrote. If you re-read it talks about multiplayer combat games and different area's and such. I was trying to fairly post all the info, and now what you said only shows points that reflect certain opinions, not all of the info. There is more there than just what benefits "gang-currs". This is to help players understand the different relation between consensual PvP and grieffing others. There are legal issues here that can be brought into a possible class action. please go back and re-read my post and even take a break to smoke then read over the laws that may pertain to your state and the state that CCP has an office in the US at. There is a reason I posted the company's address so those who were interested could look. I know in my state they could be brought to a trial, for cyber-crimes. Not saying if it would win or not, but the fact that it can be brought to a court gives me pause and it should give others.

Wow, CCP forcing players to engage in incredibly boring grinding to regain the ability to travel at all. Such a great plan. You also want Sov Holders able to close gates down to unfriendly traffic? Sov holders have the same rights and abilities (more even) to restrict traffic in their space as NPCs do.

In their own game, they most certainly are as far as griefing goes.

No. That's the trick about legalese. If it says language it means language.