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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2012-06-13 16:33:51 UTC
welp i just looked at the budget spreadsheet it looks like i broke it again, damnit

i also really need to update it

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
zxc Uisen
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-06-13 16:36:12 UTC  |  Edited by: zxc Uisen
Cameron Cahill wrote:
never mind google it its not hard to find


Thx for doing the research, but silly me, i don't trust those numbers too much.

But let's assume they're fine, why the 15% tax on the main corp for example?

edit: btw, if you haven't noticed, i ask all this because (player owned especially) nullsec seems like a scam to me
Ishen Villone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2012-06-13 16:37:38 UTC
zxc Uisen wrote:
Quote:
The principle idea behind it is called communism.


I'd call it efficiency and transparency, since if the space isn't gonna be upgraded, why keep it, and if 1k guys are gonna spend hours mobilizing to take/protect a moon, i'd imagine they would want compensation.

Also, i've just thought about it a bit, and tne thing that doesn't make too much sense, is that operating costs of tech moons for example VASTLY overshadows pos fuel costs, and the other good moons make great isk too. Honestly seems fishy to me (capitalism at its best?), but then again i don't have all the information.


GSF buys me a new ship when I lose it in a fight over one of those tech moons. They also provide me with a jump bridge network, plenty of outposts to live in, subsidized capital modules, unlimited free rifters, and the opportunity to shoot at all these terrible, terrible pubbies.

What, exactly, fits your definition of compensation?
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2012-06-13 16:38:28 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Jafit wrote:

TEST alliance finances are open to the public.

Pretty sure ours are too but I cant be arsed looking for them.

They are. Is it with the latest tech moon acquisitions and prices?


Weaselior wrote:

welp i just looked at the budget spreadsheet it looks like i broke it again, damnit

i also really need to update it


so pre-banch/tenal/venal we have over a trillion isk raw income in moons?
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2012-06-13 16:39:44 UTC
Ishen Villone wrote:
zxc Uisen wrote:
Quote:
The principle idea behind it is called communism.


I'd call it efficiency and transparency, since if the space isn't gonna be upgraded, why keep it, and if 1k guys are gonna spend hours mobilizing to take/protect a moon, i'd imagine they would want compensation.

Also, i've just thought about it a bit, and tne thing that doesn't make too much sense, is that operating costs of tech moons for example VASTLY overshadows pos fuel costs, and the other good moons make great isk too. Honestly seems fishy to me (capitalism at its best?), but then again i don't have all the information.


GSF buys me a new ship when I lose it in a fight over one of those tech moons. They also provide me with a jump bridge network, plenty of outposts to live in, subsidized capital modules, unlimited free rifters, and the opportunity to shoot at all these terrible, terrible pubbies.

What, exactly, fits your definition of compensation?


What this guy says^^

Also we get ship replacement for any form of pvp so meh i can deal with the tax when i never have to pay for anything.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2012-06-13 16:43:23 UTC
Another thing you seem to forget is that the GSF has no CTAs, zero zilch so none of has to go and defend anything. We choose to go because fights in eve are... you know... fun?
zxc Uisen
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-06-13 16:44:10 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Ishen Villone wrote:
zxc Uisen wrote:
Quote:
The principle idea behind it is called communism.


I'd call it efficiency and transparency, since if the space isn't gonna be upgraded, why keep it, and if 1k guys are gonna spend hours mobilizing to take/protect a moon, i'd imagine they would want compensation.

Also, i've just thought about it a bit, and tne thing that doesn't make too much sense, is that operating costs of tech moons for example VASTLY overshadows pos fuel costs, and the other good moons make great isk too. Honestly seems fishy to me (capitalism at its best?), but then again i don't have all the information.


GSF buys me a new ship when I lose it in a fight over one of those tech moons. They also provide me with a jump bridge network, plenty of outposts to live in, subsidized capital modules, unlimited free rifters, and the opportunity to shoot at all these terrible, terrible pubbies.

What, exactly, fits your definition of compensation?


What this guy says^^

Also we get ship replacement for any form of pvp so meh i can deal with the tax when i never have to pay for anything.


Aren't stations/jump bridges mostly one-time expenditures? and free rifters is kind of meh, and you can pvp in any nullsec.
The only tangible benefits i see would be subsidized caps and cap mods, and could be negated by the corp tax rates, right?
Holy One
Privat Party
#28 - 2012-06-13 16:45:18 UTC
Car payments.

:)
zxc Uisen
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-06-13 16:47:54 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Another thing you seem to forget is that the GSF has no CTAs, zero zilch so none of has to go and defend anything. We choose to go because fights in eve are... you know... fun?


that's kind of off topic, has nothing to do with repartition in null.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2012-06-13 16:48:13 UTC
zxc Uisen wrote:


Aren't stations/jump bridges mostly one-time expenditures? and free rifters is kind of meh, and you can pvp in any nullsec.
The only tangible benefits i see would be subsidized caps and cap mods, and could be negated by the corp tax rates, right?


Actually jump bridges take a lot of fuel when they get as much volume through them as ours do (poor GSOL) that and the upgrades needed for them add on to the sov bills.

You dont seem to get the free pvp thing. It costs me nothing to welp ships. That when spread across 9000 people takes a lot of isk.
zxc Uisen
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-06-13 16:50:58 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
zxc Uisen wrote:


Aren't stations/jump bridges mostly one-time expenditures? and free rifters is kind of meh, and you can pvp in any nullsec.
The only tangible benefits i see would be subsidized caps and cap mods, and could be negated by the corp tax rates, right?


Actually jump bridges take a lot of fuel when they get as much volume through them as ours do (poor GSOL) that and the upgrades needed for them add on to the sov bills.

You dont seem to get the free pvp thing. It costs me nothing to welp ships. That when spread across 9000 people takes a lot of isk.


So goonswarm pays for you BC losses?
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#32 - 2012-06-13 16:53:06 UTC
zxc Uisen wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Ishen Villone wrote:
zxc Uisen wrote:
Quote:
The principle idea behind it is called communism.


I'd call it efficiency and transparency, since if the space isn't gonna be upgraded, why keep it, and if 1k guys are gonna spend hours mobilizing to take/protect a moon, i'd imagine they would want compensation.

Also, i've just thought about it a bit, and tne thing that doesn't make too much sense, is that operating costs of tech moons for example VASTLY overshadows pos fuel costs, and the other good moons make great isk too. Honestly seems fishy to me (capitalism at its best?), but then again i don't have all the information.


GSF buys me a new ship when I lose it in a fight over one of those tech moons. They also provide me with a jump bridge network, plenty of outposts to live in, subsidized capital modules, unlimited free rifters, and the opportunity to shoot at all these terrible, terrible pubbies.

What, exactly, fits your definition of compensation?


What this guy says^^

Also we get ship replacement for any form of pvp so meh i can deal with the tax when i never have to pay for anything.


Aren't stations/jump bridges mostly one-time expenditures? and free rifters is kind of meh, and you can pvp in any nullsec.
The only tangible benefits i see would be subsidized caps and cap mods, and could be negated by the corp tax rates, right?


Noooo. You still have to pay Concord tax on them, PLUS you have to pay to keep fuel in the jump bridges. Plus you have to pay folks to put fuel in those jump bridges.

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SetrakDark
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-06-13 16:53:36 UTC  |  Edited by: SetrakDark
The CFC is pretty revolutionary in its space communism and open finances.

Historically and generally, yes, alliance level income is kept by a select few who spend it on themselves, rmt it, or just let it sit there. This, however, is not the case with goonswarm, test, and most, if not all, of the rest of the CFC.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2012-06-13 16:54:11 UTC
zxc Uisen wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Another thing you seem to forget is that the GSF has no CTAs, zero zilch so none of has to go and defend anything. We choose to go because fights in eve are... you know... fun?


that's kind of off topic, has nothing to do with repartition in null.


well seeing as you're main point was :

zxc Uisen wrote:

that wouldn't explain why regular members would show up to defend/conquer those moons for their leadership.


One: We get tonnes of shiny free stuff.

Two: No one forces us, we go because fights are to be had. Once again Fights are Fun.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#35 - 2012-06-13 16:54:15 UTC
zxc Uisen wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
zxc Uisen wrote:


Aren't stations/jump bridges mostly one-time expenditures? and free rifters is kind of meh, and you can pvp in any nullsec.
The only tangible benefits i see would be subsidized caps and cap mods, and could be negated by the corp tax rates, right?


Actually jump bridges take a lot of fuel when they get as much volume through them as ours do (poor GSOL) that and the upgrades needed for them add on to the sov bills.

You dont seem to get the free pvp thing. It costs me nothing to welp ships. That when spread across 9000 people takes a lot of isk.


So goonswarm pays for you BC losses?


Goonswarm pays for all pvp losses, either in full, for official ops, or in part for just goofing off pvp.

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Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2012-06-13 16:55:29 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:

Goonswarm pays for all pvp losses, either in full, for official ops, or in part for just goofing off pvp.


<3 Rainbow geddon reimbursement.
zxc Uisen
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-06-13 16:59:10 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:
zxc Uisen wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
zxc Uisen wrote:


Aren't stations/jump bridges mostly one-time expenditures? and free rifters is kind of meh, and you can pvp in any nullsec.
The only tangible benefits i see would be subsidized caps and cap mods, and could be negated by the corp tax rates, right?


Actually jump bridges take a lot of fuel when they get as much volume through them as ours do (poor GSOL) that and the upgrades needed for them add on to the sov bills.

You dont seem to get the free pvp thing. It costs me nothing to welp ships. That when spread across 9000 people takes a lot of isk.


So goonswarm pays for you BC losses?


Goonswarm pays for all pvp losses, either in full, for official ops, or in part for just goofing off pvp.


ah, i didn't know that, i thought it was only about alliance ops (so most likely about a moon), which is why i asked. But what about the other alliances? or is it the same for the other sexy moon owners these days?
Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-06-13 17:01:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivana Twinkle
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:

Goonswarm pays for all pvp losses, either in full, for official ops, or in part for just goofing off pvp.


<3 Rainbow geddon reimbursement.



I don't think so.
At least not if I'm processing it. :frank:
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#39 - 2012-06-13 17:03:46 UTC
zxc Uisen wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
zxc Uisen wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
zxc Uisen wrote:


Aren't stations/jump bridges mostly one-time expenditures? and free rifters is kind of meh, and you can pvp in any nullsec.
The only tangible benefits i see would be subsidized caps and cap mods, and could be negated by the corp tax rates, right?


Actually jump bridges take a lot of fuel when they get as much volume through them as ours do (poor GSOL) that and the upgrades needed for them add on to the sov bills.

You dont seem to get the free pvp thing. It costs me nothing to welp ships. That when spread across 9000 people takes a lot of isk.


So goonswarm pays for you BC losses?


Goonswarm pays for all pvp losses, either in full, for official ops, or in part for just goofing off pvp.


ah, i didn't know that, i thought it was only about alliance ops (so most likely about a moon), which is why i asked. But what about the other alliances? or is it the same for the other sexy moon owners these days?


I'm pretty sure TEST is similar, but i don't know for sure. Pretty much the whole of the CFC works the same way. Non-CFC alliances probably RMT the isk or something.

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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#40 - 2012-06-13 17:04:26 UTC
Ivana Twinkle wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:

Goonswarm pays for all pvp losses, either in full, for official ops, or in part for just goofing off pvp.


<3 Rainbow geddon reimbursement.



I don't think so.
At least not if I'm processing it. :frank:


Okay, well maybe the ships have to be properly fit for a full reimbursement.

Properly fit meaning either the approved newbie fit, or the approved T2 Fit.

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