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Gatosai
Death and Taxes Incorporated.
#261 - 2012-06-13 13:35:08 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Gatosai wrote:
let me reiterate this then " you're all meanies and high sec should be safe for all!! pvp in high sec makes me a sad panda" yerp sounds about right


Yes please explain me why high sec would be safe if you had to join corporations or faction warfare. Every one knows, except maybe you, that those are really kitty online.
On the top of corporation kills we have RvB and Eve uni but yeah, you're right....


because all the glitter farting unicorns from space Africa couldn't make sense out of that
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#262 - 2012-06-13 13:36:49 UTC
Gatosai wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Gatosai wrote:
let me reiterate this then " you're all meanies and high sec should be safe for all!! pvp in high sec makes me a sad panda" yerp sounds about right


Yes please explain me why high sec would be safe if you had to join corporations or faction warfare. Every one knows, except maybe you, that those are really kitty online.
On the top of corporation kills we have RvB and Eve uni but yeah, you're right....


because all the glitter farting unicorns from space Africa couldn't make sense out of that


That's the point ^^

brb
Spy 21
Doomheim
#263 - 2012-06-13 13:39:41 UTC
These threads always remind me of the 3 year old who ask's "why" to every single answer you give them until you get to the point that you just make them go to bed.

S

Obfuscation for the WIN on page 3...
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#264 - 2012-06-13 13:43:20 UTC
GM Homonoia wrote:


My post very clearly mentions rookies. We want everyone to let new players acclimate to the game before they are thrown in with the sharks. By all means, gank, steal from, scam and whatever else you want to experienced players. They should know the crack of the whip.




This! Lol

My new favorite GM

FC, what do?
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#265 - 2012-06-13 14:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Cutter Isaacson
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I really like arguing with you, its frikken hysterical.

As with most people arguing against Tippia and getting ALL CAPS LOCK ALL THE TIME mad about it, you have no idea how misinformed you look to the rest of us.

It's a good /popcorn thread at your expense, so thanks for that.


As I pointed out to some other rather misinformed poster yesterday, what you see as me being "mad" is just your poorly judged assumption. I also use capslock as a form of emphasis on certain words in place of bold or italics, and because of the fact that you can't increase the font size so that the terminally stupid, illiterate and partially sighted people can read it.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Gatosai
Death and Taxes Incorporated.
#266 - 2012-06-13 14:05:19 UTC
highonpop wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:


My post very clearly mentions rookies. We want everyone to let new players acclimate to the game before they are thrown in with the sharks. By all means, gank, steal from, scam and whatever else you want to experienced players. They should know the crack of the whip.




This! Lol

My new favorite GM




while i like the way this statement was worded it makes me agree with a prior post that tutorial missions should get "rookies" better acquainted with such mechanics. i mean in the tutorial missions there is a mission that mentions insuring your ship which is directly followed by your ship getting blasted to pieces without any way to avoid it. wouldn't be that far of a stretch to do the same with can baiting or can flipping. am i wrong for thinking that this would be a much easier way to deal wit this then going: "okay i know we already said THESE are the rookie systems but i don't like where this whole "pvp" thing is going so I'm going to add all these systems to the protection radius"? i mean i understand ccp is trying to protect their cash cow by making this game new player friendly but in the process they're making veteran players turn away from the game, no?
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
#267 - 2012-06-13 14:23:40 UTC
Why can't they simply move the epic arc into rookie systems to prevent this sort of interdiction creep?
Kata Amentis
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#268 - 2012-06-13 14:45:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kata Amentis
A couple of caveats to this post:

Firstly: very happy to see the protection of absolute newbies. Getting dead/scammed before you even know what the basic concepts are (you can get dead and you will be scammed Lol) sucks. Whilst I've always advocated being podded and scammed early in your career in New Eden to lose the fear, there is a time and place to it, and absolute newbie/rookie days are not it.

Secondly: whilst I really hope the dregs of the eve community (got to love 'em) would take the message and understands the concept of a fuzzy boundry... I've been around New Eden a little too long so...


When you're forced to look into spreading the protection to the other systems mentioned, it might be worth putting some consideration into moving the epic arc away from Hek. Hek is the trade hub for Metropolis and as with all major hubs all kinds of mass untargetting scamming, baiting and general foulplay (again, got to love it) goes on. I just think that some realism needs to be applied to the nightmare can of worms that would be opened by trying to manually defend newbies in such a system. Perhaps Nakugard (tie in some Ani constellation stuff maybe?) would be a preferable SOE arc system?

V for Vendetta comes to mind... a chain of events that has only one conclusion, really annoyed Hekians and huge GM workloads Shocked

Curiosity killed the Kata... ... but being immortal he wasn't too worried about keeping a count.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#269 - 2012-06-13 15:06:31 UTC
I never finished SOE, does that make me a rookie if I go do it now?

does the GM and CCP realize that the only thing left in eve worth doing anymore is tear harvesting?

does CCP and the GM not see that that would indicate a huge failure of their game when players would rather **** people off than do one of several legitimate in-game activities?

does this not speak volumes to you guys?
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#270 - 2012-06-13 15:08:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Cutter Isaacson
Morganta wrote:
I never finished SOE, does that make me a rookie if I go do it now?

does the GM and CCP realize that the only thing left in eve worth doing anymore is tear harvesting?

does CCP and the GM not see that that would indicate a huge failure of their game when players would rather **** people off than do one of several legitimate in-game activities?

does this not speak volumes to you guys?


No, it just says something about the mentality of the players. Throwing that responsibility on to CCP's shoulders is akin to a rapist blaming their actions on the woman for the way she dresses.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Gatosai
Death and Taxes Incorporated.
#271 - 2012-06-13 15:10:28 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Morganta wrote:
I never finished SOE, does that make me a rookie if I go do it now?

does the GM and CCP realize that the only thing left in eve worth doing anymore is tear harvesting?

does CCP and the GM not see that that would indicate a huge failure of their game when players would rather **** people off than do one of several legitimate in-game activities?

does this not speak volumes to you guys?


No, it just says something about the mentality of the players. Throwing that responsibility on to CCP's shoulders is akin to a rapist blaming their actions on the woman for the way she dresses.


so i kill hulks because of their low cut blouses?
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#272 - 2012-06-13 15:11:17 UTC
Gatosai wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Morganta wrote:
I never finished SOE, does that make me a rookie if I go do it now?

does the GM and CCP realize that the only thing left in eve worth doing anymore is tear harvesting?

does CCP and the GM not see that that would indicate a huge failure of their game when players would rather **** people off than do one of several legitimate in-game activities?

does this not speak volumes to you guys?


No, it just says something about the mentality of the players. Throwing that responsibility on to CCP's shoulders is akin to a rapist blaming their actions on the woman for the way she dresses.


so i kill hulks because of their low cut blouses?


Probably the way they wiggle their mining lasers.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#273 - 2012-06-13 15:11:49 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Morganta wrote:
I never finished SOE, does that make me a rookie if I go do it now?

does the GM and CCP realize that the only thing left in eve worth doing anymore is tear harvesting?

does CCP and the GM not see that that would indicate a huge failure of their game when players would rather **** people off than do one of several legitimate in-game activities?

does this not speak volumes to you guys?


No, it just says something about the mentality of the players. Throwing that responsibility on to CCP's shoulders is akin to a rapist blaming their actions on the woman for the way she dresses.


huh?
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#274 - 2012-06-13 15:16:40 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Morganta wrote:
I never finished SOE, does that make me a rookie if I go do it now?

does the GM and CCP realize that the only thing left in eve worth doing anymore is tear harvesting?

does CCP and the GM not see that that would indicate a huge failure of their game when players would rather **** people off than do one of several legitimate in-game activities?

does this not speak volumes to you guys?


No, it just says something about the mentality of the players. Throwing that responsibility on to CCP's shoulders is akin to a rapist blaming their actions on the woman for the way she dresses.


huh?



Oh dear lord, I'll explain in crayon.

There are plenty of other things people can do in game. Saying that people gank rookies due to a lack of content or because CCP have somehow failed with EVE is so mind bogglingly stupid I am surprised that the internet even allowed it to be posted.

People gank rookies because they are sad little bastards. It is their mindset to automatically go for the weakest and the youngest targets, mostly because rookies are almost entirely incapable of knowing how or when to fight back. Hence my previous post.

Blame the mentality of the player for their actions, not CCP.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Gatosai
Death and Taxes Incorporated.
#275 - 2012-06-13 15:25:45 UTC
What it really comes down to in my eyes is that any game with a pvp element is going to have people trying to force their way to play on others. really just got to chalk it up to human condition; in an environment in which you can test your combat skill against other pilots people are going to find enjoyment out of causing others grief. I have killed more then my share of rookies being maybe weeks old but i don't by any means actively hunt for them. rookies will see someone come into their missions and take their loot from there several things can happen: 1) the rookie can freak out about not being able to complete said mission or 2) the rookie thinks he's bad ass and tries to fight in a scenario in which they aren't apt in. the end result is the same the rookie is upset they lost a ship, that doesn't mean we should undoubtedly protect them. i mean all of us veteran players were rookies at some point or another and have had that happen to us and we accept it cause IT'S A SAND BOX GAME. if rookies are that upset about loosing ships that ccp feels the need to protect them then maybe give these "rookies" special insurance options or something because otherwise making extended ruling is taking away the freedom in which we love about this game
Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
#276 - 2012-06-13 15:28:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Possum's Awesome
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
People gank rookies because they are sad little bastards. It is their mindset to automatically go for the weakest and the youngest targets, mostly because rookies are almost entirely incapable of knowing how or when to fight back.


Another sad carebear projecting his own thought process on other players.

This game, ultimately, is about one player blowing up* (teehee) another PERIOD, DOT, End of Sentence.

All those rookie poppers are doing is introducing them to the cold hard truth of EVE. They're trying right from the start to filter out the whiney little anti-pvp kids from those that can understand what this game is about right from day one.

Aura tells rookies what to expect from this game, if they ignore that lovely voice, they do so at their own peril.

There's a rookie channel for those newbies, there's Aura, there's the forums, there's thousands of newbie articles. Countless resources for those new guys to go to, to figure out what's happened and how to stop it.


You, sir, are a doodyhead. Poopbreath.
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#277 - 2012-06-13 15:37:19 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
How about this... Don't harass the noobs doing the sister's of eve epic, grow a set, and fight people who can and will fight back?

Imagine a player going to where other players are to look for ganks and PvP?

Null and low sec are so hit or miss when it comes to finding shootable targets that a space pilot must enjoy whatever he or she can find.

Also, anybody who looks for PvP targets based upon ship class (BC or greater) is sadly mistaken in assuming that the frigate and cruisers are piloted by inexperienced n00bs.

Some of the most experienced small-scale PvPers that I know fly unassuming tech 1 frigates and cruisers with great aplomb.

If CCP is indeed policing additional systems with undocumented rule-sets then there goes yet another element of the sandbox.

+++++++ I have never shed a tear for a fellow EVE player until now. Mark “Seleene” Heard's Blog Honoring Sean "Vile Rat" Smith.
Gatosai
Death and Taxes Incorporated.
#278 - 2012-06-13 15:43:02 UTC
^well said
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#279 - 2012-06-13 15:44:37 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
How about this... Don't harass the noobs doing the sister's of eve epic, grow a set, and fight people who can and will fight back?


You must be new here. :-p Harassing noobs is for the big, tough gamer types who are too chicken-@#%#@ to enter low or null. They have nowhere else to go now that they've been banned from WoW.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#280 - 2012-06-13 15:45:39 UTC
Possum's Awesome wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
People gank rookies because they are sad little bastards. It is their mindset to automatically go for the weakest and the youngest targets, mostly because rookies are almost entirely incapable of knowing how or when to fight back.


Another sad carebear projecting his own thought process on other players.

This game, ultimately, is about one player blowing up* (teehee) another PERIOD, DOT, End of Sentence.

All those rookie poppers are doing is introducing them to the cold hard truth of EVE. They're trying right from the start to filter out the whiney little anti-pvp kids from those that can understand what this game is about right from day one.

Aura tells rookies what to expect from this game, if they ignore that lovely voice, they do so at their own peril.

There's a rookie channel for those newbies, there's Aura, there's the forums, there's thousands of newbie articles. Countless resources for those new guys to go to, to figure out what's happened and how to stop it.


You, sir, are a doodyhead. Poopbreath.


First up, what has me being a carebear got to do with anything? Secondly, all those rookie poppers are doing is proving how well the mentally disturbed/low IQ community are doing at finding something to do on the internet, that does not mean it is a good thing.

As for your assertion that there are plenty of resources for noobs, you are absolutely correct, what you seem to have forgotten, or were maybe too poorly educated to understand, is that people need time to assimilate all that information. That's why rookies are given more protection than everyone else.

If all of this is too difficult for you to follow, I would be happy to arrange for the cast of sesame street to perform this post for you, with the aid of crayon pictures and smaller words.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.