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CraftyCroc
Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore
#21 - 2012-06-13 08:05:35 UTC
Jhango Fett wrote:
If 300 mill is an issue for you I suggest you do not start wars.



The dec is live. The cost is excessive
Josef Djugashvilis
#22 - 2012-06-13 08:21:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
[quote=SetrakDark]The reasoning is that you are, in effect, "buying" targets. The more targets you want, the more you have to pay.

This is tantamount to arguing that a boxing match between Muhammad Ali and Shoji Oguma would have been a fair fight on the grounds that Oguma had a bigger target to hit.

This is not a signature.
Artimis kraw
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-06-13 08:30:00 UTC
I approve of this message from the Croc.

And lol at FCON.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-06-13 10:14:08 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
CraftyCroc wrote:
The latest update is great however I feel you have somewhat shafted smaller corps when it comes to war dec'ing.

Two large alliances have come into the area and we have been sparring with them since they have arrived. A decision was made to war dec them and the cost has been quoted as 300m a week.

We estimate it would have cost us in the past circa 50m. Is it working as intended? I hope not.


You know you could avoid all this cost if you looked for targets outside of highsec. I know plenty of places you could go with your small gang and get good fights. Try -A- renter space, where ever the Agony guys are, Delve, or better yet come see us we like fights. Of course you can't really play station games or have neutral logistics out there but I'm sure you weren't using any of those filthy highsec tactics, right?

If nothing else these wardec changes will remove some of the EVE detritus and that's a good thing.

E: I should add none of this "we'll get your haulers in highsec" BS means anything because any semi-intelligent alliance knows to use NPC alts.

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CraftyCroc
Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore
#25 - 2012-06-13 10:52:52 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
CraftyCroc wrote:
The latest update is great however I feel you have somewhat shafted smaller corps when it comes to war dec'ing.

Two large alliances have come into the area and we have been sparring with them since they have arrived. A decision was made to war dec them and the cost has been quoted as 300m a week.

We estimate it would have cost us in the past circa 50m. Is it working as intended? I hope not.


You know you could avoid all this cost if you looked for targets outside of highsec. I know plenty of places you could go with you're small gang and get good fights. Try -A- renter space, where ever the Agony guys are, Delve, or better yet come see us we like fights. Of course you can't really play station games or have neutral logistics out there but I'm sure you weren't using any of those filthy highsec tactics, right?

If nothing else these wardec changes will remove some of EVE detritus and that's a good thing.

E: I should add none of this "we'll get your haulers in highsec" BS means anything because any semi-intelligent alliance knows to use NPC alts.


We live in low sec. Generally we do not bother with war dec's as we are not bothered about being -10. The reason we have dec'd the alliance in question is because they fight with little skill but in large numbers. Generally we are engaging 5vs50.

Note they also expect us to take gcc and will not engage unless they have more ECM boats then we have ships.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-06-13 12:21:56 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
CraftyCroc wrote:


We live in low sec. Generally we do not bother with war dec's as we are not bothered about being -10. The reason we have dec'd the alliance in question is because they fight with little skill but in large numbers. Generally we are engaging 5vs50.

Note they also expect us to take gcc and will not engage unless they have more ECM boats then we have ships.


If you're all -10 and in low sec then why are you whining about wardecs? Gate/station guns can't possibly be that much of a problem to warrant a wardec. It sounds like you need to recruit more people and escalate the situation if you want to deal with them or go fight someone else that you can handle. Instead of whining about wardec fees.

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CraftyCroc
Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore
#27 - 2012-06-13 12:28:51 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
CraftyCroc wrote:


We live in low sec. Generally we do not bother with war dec's as we are not bothered about being -10. The reason we have dec'd the alliance in question is because they fight with little skill but in large numbers. Generally we are engaging 5vs50.

Note they also expect us to take gcc and will not engage unless they have more ECM boats then we have ships.


If you're all -10 and in low sec then why are you whining about wardecs? Gate/station guns can't possibly be that much of a problem to warrant a wardec. It sounds like you need to recruit more people and escalate the situation if you want to deal with them or go fight someone else that you can handle. Instead of whining about wardec fees.


I have very quickly checked your killboard and noticed you are an amateur.

I will however entertain your troll by offering a response:

5 vs 50? Yes gate guns are an issue.

Tool.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-06-13 12:29:29 UTC
You heard the bee.

Blob up, biaches.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-06-13 13:01:09 UTC  |  Edited by: David Cedarbridge
Let me get this straight, you seriously think that the only thing that is going to stop you from losing a 5 vs 50 fight against an ECM blob is getting a wardec to stop the gateguns? Man I've been doing my solo and small gang stuff all wrong.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#30 - 2012-06-13 14:08:17 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Let me get this straight, you seriously think that the only thing that is going to stop you from losing a 5 vs 50 fight against an ECM blob is getting a wardec to stop the gateguns? Man I've been doing my solo and small gang stuff all wrong.


Goonswam is known for its excellent solo pvp, so this confuses me.
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#31 - 2012-06-13 14:13:56 UTC
Jeez, what fun to see Gunpoint Diplomacy crying on the forums. Why don't you just gank a few more mackinaws in Teon? You'll be able to afford the war with the big newbie alliance you want to fight.
Kelduum Revaan
The Ebon Hawk
#32 - 2012-06-13 14:35:38 UTC
Sorry Mr. Croc, but as I mentioned last night, if you had mentioned this issue with the EW and "5 vs 50" before the invitation to your home system, I may have been able to do something about it.

Once the invitation has been rescinded, I'm sure you'll see less of the students around, and they may even be open to smaller engagements, perhaps not at gates or stations?
CraftyCroc
Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore
#33 - 2012-06-13 14:37:38 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Let me get this straight, you seriously think that the only thing that is going to stop you from losing a 5 vs 50 fight against an ECM blob is getting a wardec to stop the gateguns? Man I've been doing my solo and small gang stuff all wrong.


Fight 1

Fight 2

Fight 3

The battle reports are bugged - the above is about 6 different engagements. If you check our losses - generally the highest damage was from gate/station guns.

Mr Harari has already commented on the level of small gang pvp goonswarm are known for so i'll not comment further


Ban Bindy wrote:
Jeez, what fun to see Gunpoint Diplomacy crying on the forums. Why don't you just gank a few more mackinaws in Teon? You'll be able to afford the war with the big newbie alliance you want to fight.


We can afford the war - that is not the issue. The issue is the cost is excessive.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#34 - 2012-06-13 14:47:38 UTC
Cavel Avada wrote:
I see this as working as intended. War is an expensive prospect. 10-man corps should not be able to cheaply wardec a corp 10x their size. It's just unrealistic.


no, unrealistic is paying a fee above your actual war materials expenses.

How much did Germany pay to wardec Poland?
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-06-13 14:54:08 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
CraftyCroc wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
CraftyCroc wrote:


We live in low sec. Generally we do not bother with war dec's as we are not bothered about being -10. The reason we have dec'd the alliance in question is because they fight with little skill but in large numbers. Generally we are engaging 5vs50.

Note they also expect us to take gcc and will not engage unless they have more ECM boats then we have ships.


If you're all -10 and in low sec then why are you whining about wardecs? Gate/station guns can't possibly be that much of a problem to warrant a wardec. It sounds like you need to recruit more people and escalate the situation if you want to deal with them or go fight someone else that you can handle. Instead of whining about wardec fees.


I have very quickly checked your killboard and noticed you are an amateur.

I will however entertain your troll by offering a response:

5 vs 50? Yes gate guns are an issue.

Tool.


Yes because telling you to stop whining about wardec fees instead of actively working to improve your situation via already available in-game mechanics is trolling. You are no different from the miners that whine for a change from CCP so they don't have to actually think about fitting their hulks and instead can just always fit for max yield.

E: Even better your big "MY KILLBOARD" is over wanting to dec a newbie corp like eve-uni how ~elite~ pvp of you.

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Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-06-13 14:56:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Qvar Dar'Zanar
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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-06-13 14:56:10 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Let me get this straight, you seriously think that the only thing that is going to stop you from losing a 5 vs 50 fight against an ECM blob is getting a wardec to stop the gateguns? Man I've been doing my solo and small gang stuff all wrong.


Goonswam is known for its excellent solo pvp, so this confuses me.


Bahahahahahahahaahahahahahhahhahhaahhahha , that was good do another one.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-06-13 14:59:52 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Cavel Avada wrote:
I see this as working as intended. War is an expensive prospect. 10-man corps should not be able to cheaply wardec a corp 10x their size. It's just unrealistic.


no, unrealistic is paying a fee above your actual war materials expenses.

How much did Germany pay to wardec Poland?


500,000,000.00 isk.

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Haulie Berry
#39 - 2012-06-13 15:16:13 UTC
CraftyCroc wrote:

300m a week wtf




Is this really all that much for even a small corp?
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-06-13 15:20:03 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Sadly it is working as intended. Many of us tried to give insight on how it would kill small gang warfare but sadly nothing was changed other than it costing us an arm and a leg and the defender can bring even more targets on the table for us.

Unless you are a market guru or love purchasing plex's, small man is dead.


What exactly is stopping all you small gangs from going into 0.0 and hunting for targets? There are plenty of idiots out there you can find.

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