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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#241 - 2012-06-13 13:02:45 UTC
GM Homonoia wrote:
Terranid Meester wrote:
Gatosai wrote:
Terranid Meester wrote:
Personally I feel some of the GM's are not up to the job and their discretion is poorly implementated. I also feel that rookies should not be protected and in-game mechanics should be used in place to help rookie pilots understand the basic nature of eve. If a rookie gets killed its not as if they lose much in the first place. What if a new player buys a character with an officer fit tengu. Can they be classed as rookies? What about alts?

I don't kill rookies myself unless Im at war with them or something like that.

Personally I don't think a GM or a senior GM response is good enough in this manner. I would much prefer an official GM response and also some CSM responses.


oh yea sure might as well ask your local butcher for his opinion too i suppose?


Local butcher might be the mayor or a member of the parish council.

I meant to say CCP response.


You got a CCP response. /me looks at my GM tag. Yep, CCP


GM troll is best troll. Cool

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#242 - 2012-06-13 13:02:54 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
Gatosai wrote:
Terranid Meester wrote:
Personally I feel some of the GM's are not up to the job and their discretion is poorly implementated. I also feel that rookies should not be protected and in-game mechanics should be used in place to help rookie pilots understand the basic nature of eve. If a rookie gets killed its not as if they lose much in the first place. What if a new player buys a character with an officer fit tengu. Can they be classed as rookies? What about alts?

I don't kill rookies myself unless Im at war with them or something like that.

Personally I don't think a GM or a senior GM response is good enough in this manner. I would much prefer an official GM response and also some CSM responses.


oh yea sure might as well ask your local butcher for his opinion too i suppose?


Local butcher might be the mayor or a member of the parish council.

I meant to say CCP response.


Since The Mittani controls CCP, according to certain threads about Inferno 1.1 in the Test Feedback Forum, shouldn't you be asking for a response from him?

/tinfoil
DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#243 - 2012-06-13 13:04:19 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
DeBingJos wrote:
Remember, adding non-rookie systems like Hek and Arnon to the list opens up other griefing oppurtunities

1. Create new toon
2. Set course to Hek
3. Probe a mission runner
4. Steal loot
5. Report him for griefing when he shoots you<
6. Collect tears.

I am still very much in favor of improving the tutorials with a lot of info about game mechanics instead of these rules.


What a.....

If you steal the loot you know what you are doing and you deserve not only to be killed by said player but also a ban account for being such a douche.

I just listed the first exploit that came up in my head. I'm sure there is more to be found it you think harder.

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#244 - 2012-06-13 13:04:24 UTC
Adriel Malakai wrote:
Since The Mittani controls CCP, according to certain threads about Inferno 1.1 in the Test Feedback Forum, shouldn't you be asking for a response from him?

/tinfoil



0/10 could try harder.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#245 - 2012-06-13 13:05:55 UTC
GM Homonoia wrote:


You got a CCP response. /me looks at my GM tag. Yep, CCP


Sorry I meant to say a member of CCP who is not also a GM who can also speak on such matters.
Someone from gameplay [if they are involved in such things ] for instance?
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#246 - 2012-06-13 13:06:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Adriel Malakai
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Adriel Malakai wrote:
Since The Mittani controls CCP, according to certain threads about Inferno 1.1 in the Test Feedback Forum, shouldn't you be asking for a response from him?

/tinfoil



0/10 could try harder.


I don't always troll, but when I do, I do it poorly.
GM Homonoia
Game Master Retirement Home
#247 - 2012-06-13 13:07:48 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:


You got a CCP response. /me looks at my GM tag. Yep, CCP


Sorry I meant to say a member of CCP who is not also a GM who can also speak on such matters.
Someone from gameplay [if they are involved in such things ] for instance?


Game design does not make the decisions on that. The game master team is the sole arbitrator on TQ policies; we are the ones setting these policies.

Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#248 - 2012-06-13 13:07:51 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
GM Homonoia wrote:


You got a CCP response. /me looks at my GM tag. Yep, CCP


Sorry I meant to say a member of CCP who is not also a GM who can also speak on such matters.
Someone from gameplay [if they are involved in such things ] for instance?


Pretty sure head/senior GMs make most of the rules brosef.

EDIT: GM Homonoia beat me to it Sad
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#249 - 2012-06-13 13:09:56 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
I really like arguing with you, its frikken hysterical.

As with most people arguing against Tippia and getting ALL CAPS LOCK ALL THE TIME mad about it, you have no idea how misinformed you look to the rest of us.

It's a good /popcorn thread at your expense, so thanks for that.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#250 - 2012-06-13 13:13:34 UTC
Not taking sides in this trainwreck, but just thought I should point out some irony:

Malphilos wrote:
it seems you've been ganked by reality. Ignorance is no excuse and whatnot.


Do you tell this to the newbies/carebears too when they jump into lowsec, or get can flipped etc.? I'm pretty sure a warning box pops up before either of those activities. I'm also pretty sure that gives you more explanation than some 'unwritten rule' about not shooting SOE arc mission runners. Thus, 'Ignorance is no excuse and whatnot'. Roll
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#251 - 2012-06-13 13:14:18 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
Personally I feel some of the GM's are not up to the job and their discretion is poorly implementated. I also feel that rookies should not be protected and in-game mechanics should be used in place to help rookie pilots understand the basic nature of eve. If a rookie gets killed its not as if they lose much in the first place. What if a new player buys a character with an officer fit tengu. Can they be classed as rookies? What about alts?

I don't kill rookies myself unless Im at war with them or something like that.

Personally I don't think a GM or a senior GM response is good enough in this manner. I would much prefer an official CCP response and also some CSM responses.


Just WOW, GM response given and completely ignored.
Kudos to the GM's for keeping it together.


EVERYBODY KNOWS
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#252 - 2012-06-13 13:16:39 UTC
DeBingJos wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
DeBingJos wrote:
Remember, adding non-rookie systems like Hek and Arnon to the list opens up other griefing oppurtunities

1. Create new toon
2. Set course to Hek
3. Probe a mission runner
4. Steal loot
5. Report him for griefing when he shoots you<
6. Collect tears.

I am still very much in favor of improving the tutorials with a lot of info about game mechanics instead of these rules.


What a.....

If you steal the loot you know what you are doing and you deserve not only to be killed by said player but also a ban account for being such a douche.

I just listed the first exploit that came up in my head. I'm sure there is more to be found it you think harder.


And that's exactly the reason why some rules should not be set in stone, as a adult you should have some educations, sense of others respect and/or at least some "mind reason" enough to not act like a simple douchebag/bullie.

As I keep saying for years now if there are rules that need really to be clarified and so avoid 90% of these scumbag tears are the following, let me reiterate it for you:

You want to pvp in high sec? -go wardec or faction warfare

Want to look like a badass -10 red skull and pick targets with no distinction? -go low sec

Want to do whatever you want, kill rookies, blueballs, batphone whatever scumbag tactic you want to? -go null

But I suppose most of those "Elite" brained and skilled dudes would better leave than take some risks.

brb
Gatosai
Death and Taxes Incorporated.
#253 - 2012-06-13 13:24:16 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
DeBingJos wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
DeBingJos wrote:
Remember, adding non-rookie systems like Hek and Arnon to the list opens up other griefing oppurtunities

1. Create new toon
2. Set course to Hek
3. Probe a mission runner
4. Steal loot
5. Report him for griefing when he shoots you<
6. Collect tears.

I am still very much in favor of improving the tutorials with a lot of info about game mechanics instead of these rules.


What a.....

If you steal the loot you know what you are doing and you deserve not only to be killed by said player but also a ban account for being such a douche.

I just listed the first exploit that came up in my head. I'm sure there is more to be found it you think harder.


And that's exactly the reason why some rules should not be set in stone, as a adult you should have some educations, sense of others respect and/or at least some "mind reason" enough to not act like a simple douchebag/bullie.

As I keep saying for years now if there are rules that need really to be clarified and so avoid 90% of these scumbag tears are the following, let me reiterate it for you:

You want to pvp in high sec? -go wardec or faction warfare

Want to look like a badass -10 red skull and pick targets with no distinction? -go low sec

Want to do whatever you want, kill rookies, blueballs, batphone whatever scumbag tactic you want to? -go null

But I suppose most of those "Elite" brained and skilled dudes would better leave than take some risks.


let me reiterate this then " you're all meanies and high sec should be safe for all!! pvp in high sec makes me a sad panda" yerp sounds about right
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#254 - 2012-06-13 13:25:34 UTC
DeBingJos wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
DeBingJos wrote:
Remember, adding non-rookie systems like Hek and Arnon to the list opens up other griefing oppurtunities

1. Create new toon
2. Set course to Hek
3. Probe a mission runner
4. Steal loot
5. Report him for griefing when he shoots you<
6. Collect tears.

I am still very much in favor of improving the tutorials with a lot of info about game mechanics instead of these rules.


What a.....

If you steal the loot you know what you are doing and you deserve not only to be killed by said player but also a ban account for being such a douche.

I just listed the first exploit that came up in my head. I'm sure there is more to be found it you think harder.


That is not an exploit.
You won't get away with that one.
The very first thing the GM is going see is that you were in another players mission area.
That in itself will get the thing flagged.
But go ahead and try it, something tells me that it will be you that gets the ban for pulling something like that.
LolLolLolLol

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Grinder2210
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#255 - 2012-06-13 13:26:56 UTC

[/quote]

And that's exactly the reason why some rules should not be set in stone, as a adult you should have some educations, sense of others respect and/or at least some "mind reason" enough to not act like a simple douchebag/bullie.

As I keep saying for years now if there are rules that need really to be clarified and so avoid 90% of these scumbag tears are the following, let me reiterate it for you:

You want to pvp in high sec? -go wardec or faction warfare

Want to look like a badass -10 red skull and pick targets with no distinction? -go low sec

Want to do whatever you want, kill rookies, blueballs, batphone whatever scumbag tactic you want to? -go null

But I suppose most of those "Elite" brained and skilled dudes would better leave than take some risks.
[/quote]


And if you want to have real fun ... Get youself Sucide ganked my a Cynabal while your trying to kill his buddy in a 3plus billion isk Raddlesnake ( in a rookie system ) .....

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16302791
Overseer Aliena
Lord of Wars
#256 - 2012-06-13 13:28:02 UTC
Mrs. GM Lady, I need you to define what the weakest puppy I can kick is as I have a medical condition known as blue balls which disallows me from competing against anyone near or above my skill level.
Haulie Berry
#257 - 2012-06-13 13:28:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Wow, this is pretty asinine. If it's such a problem, rework the arc to only take place in the preexisting rookie systems.Roll
Adriel Malakai
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#258 - 2012-06-13 13:28:33 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
That is not an exploit.
You won't get away with that one.
The very first thing the GM is going see is that you were in another players mission area.
That in itself will get the thing flagged.
But go ahead and try it, something tells me that it will be you that gets the ban for pulling something like that.
LolLolLolLol



Probably won't get banned, just the GM telling you to not file false petitions.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#259 - 2012-06-13 13:31:11 UTC
Grinder2210 wrote:
And if you want to have real fun ... Get youself Sucide ganked my a Cynabal while your trying to kill his buddy in a 3plus billion isk Raddlesnake ( in a rookie system ) .....

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=16302791

IMHO people should be banned from flying ships like that in rookie systems.

If you want to have rookie systems, make sure they are rookie systems.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#260 - 2012-06-13 13:31:52 UTC
Gatosai wrote:
let me reiterate this then " you're all meanies and high sec should be safe for all!! pvp in high sec makes me a sad panda" yerp sounds about right


Yes please explain me why high sec would be safe if you had to join corporations or faction warfare. Every one knows, except maybe you, that those are really kitty online.
On the top of corporation kills we have RvB and Eve uni but yeah, you're right....

brb