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Tanking the hulk: medium ancillary shield booster

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Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2012-06-13 08:53:54 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
B-b-b-b-b-but that doesn't optimise my ISK/hr ratio at all! How can I possibly be expected to make fitting trade offs like everyone else does as a miner?


Actually, it does when you think about it.

Dead men tell no tales, 'sploded hulks pulls no ore.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Lucas Schuyler
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2012-06-13 12:33:44 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

How is making ganking you more expensive (and thus less likely) an exercise in futility? Is it an exercise in futility to prefer to carry a single Plex in a Freighter rather than a shuttle because the freighter is more expensive to gank?

Make it unprofitable to gank you (via tank) and you'll be less likely to lose ships. This is not an immunity, this is just altering the risk.

Make it hard to gank you (via flying techniques) and you'll never lose ships so long as you don't make a mistake. This is an immunity, it just takes some effort.

Your choice which strategies you employ and to what degree you employ them.



Because there is already NO profit in ganking a miner. People do it for the lulz and the tears Roll

You aren't going to get people to not gank you based on risk v reward because they aren't doing it based on that metric. They are doing it because they think it is fun, or because they want to annoy someone, or to put up good Hulkageddon stats or whatever.

Perhaps I am mistaken, but there really isn't an "opportunity" issue here. Any time someone ganks a miner in high sec, the attacker gets popped by CONCORD, so the only people who do it are people who are willing to lose money for no gain other than to pop you. These are people already willing to lose money for fun. I am dubious of whether a mildly tanked Hulk would ever have a good enough tank, leaving the situation one where if you attract a gank, you'll get popped anyway.
Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2012-06-13 12:46:37 UTC
Lucas Schuyler wrote:

Because there is already NO profit in ganking a miner. People do it for the lulz and the tears Roll


Have you ever salvaged a T2 ship wreck?
Lucas Schuyler
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#124 - 2012-06-13 14:13:54 UTC
Ra Jackson wrote:
Lucas Schuyler wrote:

Because there is already NO profit in ganking a miner. People do it for the lulz and the tears Roll


Have you ever salvaged a T2 ship wreck?


Really? Ganking a miner, having your own ship destroyed by CONCORD so that you can salvage the wreck has a better risk v reward / ROI than... Almost anything else you can do in the same span of time? I am dubious, but if it works for you, awesome.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#125 - 2012-06-13 14:18:16 UTC
Lucas Schuyler wrote:
Really? Ganking a miner, having your own ship destroyed by CONCORD so that you can salvage the wreck has a better risk v reward / ROI than... Almost anything else you can do in the same span of time? I am dubious, but if it works for you, awesome.


If you can still use an Orca's SMA while under GCC, they can stow most of their gear in an orca before the ship is lost, limiting their losses to the hull and a few inexpensive mods. On top of that, they'll be looting and salvaging a hulk wreck. I'm not sure it's particularly profitable, but the cost of their fun goes down significantly.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#126 - 2012-06-13 15:48:33 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Lucas Schuyler wrote:
Really? Ganking a miner, having your own ship destroyed by CONCORD so that you can salvage the wreck has a better risk v reward / ROI than... Almost anything else you can do in the same span of time? I am dubious, but if it works for you, awesome.


If you can still use an Orca's SMA while under GCC, they can stow most of their gear in an orca before the ship is lost, limiting their losses to the hull and a few inexpensive mods. On top of that, they'll be looting and salvaging a hulk wreck. I'm not sure it's particularly profitable, but the cost of their fun goes down significantly.


An untanked hulk is absolutely profitable to gank (even without the bounty). A tanked hulk is, at best, a break-even proposition. A tanked hulk with shield gang boosts is impossible to profit from. It's not the best Isk/hr thing in the world, but it's more interesting than mining or shooting red crosses.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ra Jackson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2012-06-14 10:27:35 UTC
Lucas Schuyler wrote:
Ra Jackson wrote:
Lucas Schuyler wrote:

Because there is already NO profit in ganking a miner. People do it for the lulz and the tears Roll


Have you ever salvaged a T2 ship wreck?


Really? Ganking a miner, having your own ship destroyed by CONCORD so that you can salvage the wreck has a better risk v reward / ROI than... Almost anything else you can do in the same span of time? I am dubious, but if it works for you, awesome.


Not everyone plays this game like a second job Roll
Envoy Takeshi Kovacs
A.Murder.Of.Crows
#128 - 2012-08-05 14:58:13 UTC
I have to say say this for people here, I have to agree with the anti tanking crowd. Get the Hulk set to tank local rats etc, if you think your going to tank even one ganker in a good T2 fit catalyst or something similar, your smoking crack.

I have been mining in this game for about 6 years, and every damn time I lost a hulk to what ever, it was over in seconds almost. Even the devs say it, they are NOT made to tank anything for very long, and the tanking they do with rats is a joke compared to a well fit and high damage/volley player ship. Just jump on SISI with some friends and try it out if you don't believe me LOL.

The closest thing I have found that is half way safe is an orca that has small ships in the maint bay so I can swap out those for the Hulks if peeps show up in the belt. Because a well planned gank, with one guy in a destroyer in 0.5 can kil your Hulk before you knew what hit you. In a WH the best defense I have had is fitting T2 multi spec ecm and ecm drones, that one has pissed off quite a few guys who swooped in for the kill, leaving them with nothing for their time.
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#129 - 2012-08-05 15:17:05 UTC
Nullsec miners... you can be like 1 week maybe more before you see even 1 passing from your system. And no not all bots are at high sec. As for asb it will become standar fit soon enough with the changes to exhumers.

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