Ships & Modules

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Nope. A max-yield Rokh will get (per Pyfa) 16.16 m3/s.

A fully-tanked hulk with T2 miners will pull 21.69. Even with T1 strip miners you'll get 18.6.

The Rokh gets 75% the yield of a tanked hulk, and roughly 65% the yield of a max-yield hulk.

A tanked hulk loses about 10% of its yield. So the question is, do you lose hulks often enough that the cost of the hulk exceeds the 10% lost? In other words...are you mining 3 billion isk worth of ore between each gank of your max-yield hulk? If not, tank it. If so...stop whining. Spending 300 million to make 3 billion is a perfectly acceptable investment.

You oddly "skipped" the Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field which here costs from 14.5M to 27M.

Imagine how's good to fit a pinata with more honey like faction gear....

A 50M industry character is made for... well... industry.
It's uncommon at best to have them trained for "all V skills" T2 mods grade. Else you'd just use a PvP character, no? And remap accordingly.

I believe the requirements to fit all that are Engineering 5, Electronics 5, Hull Upgrades 2, Shield Upgrades ~4, and Energy Grid Upgrades 5(for the MAPCII IIRC). Can't think of anything else that affects CPU or Grid for it, but it's not exactly Onerous.

For a more genteel fitting with only t2 and meta mods, Energy Grid Upgrades 5 isn't even needed.

I don't have a fitting tool handy, but basic shield tanking skills do not take long to train.



Even if it did, so what? You train the skills you need for the job you need to do. If your job now needs shield tanking skills, either train them, or figure out another way to do your job so that you don't need it.

Titan pilots don't complain that they need to train whatever worthless science skill in order to bridge people. HIC pilots don't complain about Grav Physics 5. Haulers don't complain about industry 5 for their transports.

The only valid fit for a hulk is of course max yield. Preferably with a faction/officer shield booster.

Elyham
Director, Mining Buddy Program

@OP

For me the proof of concept is more along these lines: If you wanted to gank someone mining, and scanned them and found this fit, would that have you move on and gank someone else, or just re-fit / upship to gank them anyway?

If the former, it may have merit. If the latter, it is an exercise in futility, you may as well go with a lesser defense/better yield and stick with hoping you see them coming and can leave in time.

Energy Management 5.

How is making ganking you more expensive (and thus less likely) an exercise in futility? Is it an exercise in futility to prefer to carry a single Plex in a Freighter rather than a shuttle because the freighter is more expensive to gank?

Make it unprofitable to gank you (via tank) and you'll be less likely to lose ships. This is not an immunity, this is just altering the risk.

Make it hard to gank you (via flying techniques) and you'll never lose ships so long as you don't make a mistake. This is an immunity, it just takes some effort.

Your choice which strategies you employ and to what degree you employ them.

http://black-frog.red-frog.org/jumps.php

If you can afford a Hulk, you can easily afford to move more than a billion isk of crap into nullsec.

Venal and Stain have a lot of quiet bits. Providence is NRDS, with several entrances, I think two of them directly from highsec. If you're into casual play, then you log in, ask yourself if you can do what you'd planned to do given the situation in the area, and if you can then you do it; if you can't then you log back out. Or you jump-clone to highsec. Don't have 8.0 standing with anybody? Then join Estel Arador Corp Services for a few days.

This is how you fly into nullsec: 1) planning: set a destination, open the map, set it to "pilots in space in the last 30 minutes" (bearing in mind that a single pilot in a system can still be a Cynabal sitting in a bubble), find a relatively quiet route. Since you used Black Frog to move your mining equipment, you can travel light. 2) initial piloting: fly through highsec/lowsec without even noticing it. Enter nullsec. Each system you enter, if the gate's quiet, burn off it and create a bookmark that might let you avoid bubbles and scout the gate when you come back. Try and scan the next gate, but anyway, eventually, warp to it, create a bookmark, jump through. 3) subsequent piloting: warp to bookmark, warp to gate and jump, warp to bookmark, bleh. You've jump clones? You've moved your crap with Black Frog? Then you won't kill yourself doing too much of this.

Now, getting your stuff out of nullsec might be the fun part. My idea has been to scan down wormholes and jump through them - but when I tried that, last week in Venal, I ran out of systems to scan before I found a single wormhole. It was like walking down a street and waiting at each bus stop for the bus, before you realize: ****, you're already halfway home, you may as well keep walking.

But if you make a habit of scanning for wormholes while you mine (and what else are you going to do? You can't make it mine any faster.), you can move product when the opportunities appear rather than frustrate yourself trying to hunt the opportunities down.



*shrug*

I'm not a miner, but why not move just to move? Read your own post where you say dismiss this is an impossibility, and then do it to spite yourself. Or maybe you'll discover that you were more correct than you knew, and you'll return with better arguments.