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When EVE online in spanish?¿
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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#121 - 2012-06-11 20:25:25 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:


Its the fact that the community is abnormally small.

Plenty of communities that are small IRL have large representations in EVE. Hispanic communities don't.

You also may be surprised to learn that I'm half Latino and spent one third of my life living in various countries in South America.

Also, your average latino has much better english than your average american speaks has any foreign language. There really isn't much need for localization. In fact, most latino gamers I know refuse to play on localized clients, because translations tend to be ****.


Now you try the Zimmerman approach "I'm not racist because I'm Latino too"... meh If you don't want Hispanics to have their client that's your choice. But don't come here saying that there are more Japanese players than Hispanics players. That's just pure BS. We exist, we are here and we are quite a few. Do not belittle us.... expect us.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#122 - 2012-06-11 21:34:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Imho it's not just the size of a language community but how widespread the use of English as a second language in a given country is.

As most of those who had the pleasure of reading some of my posts will have noticed by now, English isn't my first language either, but I hardly know anyone speaking the same native language as I do playing the game on a localized client.

It wasn't the case when I was a child, but today, kids start learning English in elementary school and it's quite easy to learn because it's basically a less complicated language within the same language family.

Now for spanish, french or any other romance or slavic language speakers, English is way harder to learn and far less people speak and write it fluently, thus these communities would profit way more from localized versions.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#123 - 2012-06-12 01:37:07 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:


Now you try the Zimmerman approach "I'm not racist because I'm Latino too"... meh If you don't want Hispanics to have their client that's your choice. But don't come here saying that there are more Japanese players than Hispanics players. That's just pure BS. We exist, we are here and we are quite a few. Do not belittle us.... expect us.


You're one dumb ************, aren't you.

Calling my stance racist now? Jesus H Christ this is pointless.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#124 - 2012-06-12 01:40:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Shameless Avenger wrote:
bongsmoke wrote:
for those actually able to afford/use a computer.


In the time it took you to write that troll, your country lost 10,000 IT jobs to India. :P

Sad but true. Sad


BTW it's Mandarin, English, Hindustani, and then spanish. If anyone was curious.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#125 - 2012-06-12 02:45:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Akirei Scytale
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
bongsmoke wrote:
for those actually able to afford/use a computer.


In the time it took you to write that troll, your country lost 10,000 IT jobs to India. :P

Sad but true. Sad


BTW it's Mandarin, English, Hindustani, and then spanish. If anyone was curious.


Hindi has fewer speakers than Spanish - by a massive margin on a native language basis, and by ~10 million total.
Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2012-06-12 07:36:14 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
bongsmoke wrote:
for those actually able to afford/use a computer.


In the time it took you to write that troll, your country lost 10,000 IT jobs to India. :P

Sad but true. Sad


BTW it's Mandarin, English, Hindustani, and then spanish. If anyone was curious.


Hindi has fewer speakers than Spanish - by a massive margin on a native language basis, and by ~10 million total.


Still, this discussion is sterile.

I expect CCP has precise information regarding the number of accounts created by country.

And I also expect that the number of Spanish accounts, plus the number of accounts from other Spanish-speaking countries do not amount for the necessary income to justify the Spanish game client.

Perhaps Dust would change that? The FPS genre has always been extremely popular in Spain, and perhaps it will trigger some curiosity towards CCP's intellectual property.

Still, your average Call of Duty player is used to translated and dubbed games and might not react adequately to a client in English, German and Russian.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#127 - 2012-06-12 07:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
As a Swede I've never seen the appeal of localized clients. I would find a EVE client where everything, from ship and item names to mission details in Swedish to be incredibly... corny.

The mere thought sends shivers down my spine.

I nearly had a heart attack when I discovered that the Viva Pinata copy I had purchased (Don't judge. Don't judge...) was in Swedish because my 360's Locale was set to Sweden rather than UK or US! Luckily it was just a matter of changing that setting and it was in English.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2012-06-12 07:52:08 UTC
CCP hasn't even localized the client into Icelandic

heh

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#129 - 2012-06-12 08:06:44 UTC
Darius Brinn wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
bongsmoke wrote:
for those actually able to afford/use a computer.


In the time it took you to write that troll, your country lost 10,000 IT jobs to India. :P

Sad but true. Sad


BTW it's Mandarin, English, Hindustani, and then spanish. If anyone was curious.


Hindi has fewer speakers than Spanish - by a massive margin on a native language basis, and by ~10 million total.


Still, this discussion is sterile.

I expect CCP has precise information regarding the number of accounts created by country.

And I also expect that the number of Spanish accounts, plus the number of accounts from other Spanish-speaking countries do not amount for the necessary income to justify the Spanish game client.

Perhaps Dust would change that? The FPS genre has always been extremely popular in Spain, and perhaps it will trigger some curiosity towards CCP's intellectual property.

Still, your average Call of Duty player is used to translated and dubbed games and might not react adequately to a client in English, German and Russian.


Oh, I agree - like I stated earlier in this thread, a spanish localization would be essentially pointless.

There aren't enough spanish speakers in EVE, and latino gamers are very used to playing games in english. that, and translations into spanish tend to be awful.

I was merely correcting a factual error.
Zanulf Steelfist
Clandroid Gaming
#130 - 2012-06-12 08:42:54 UTC
+1 For Spanish client, hell i would even help with the translation

Spaniards by nature dont speak very good english (i blame the education system on this) and i know of many people here (Spain) that dont play because of this.

Yes the transation would be cheese as hell but it would actually get CCP a bunch more subs.


Activando el motor de curvatura suena muy bien :D

Yo creo que si CCP nos lo preguntase amablemente podiramos ayudar con la traduccion.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#131 - 2012-06-12 08:55:39 UTC
Zanulf Steelfist wrote:
Yo creo que si CCP nos lo preguntase amablemente podiramos ayudar con la traduccion.


holy conjugation batman

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Polaris Lumine
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2012-06-12 09:21:08 UTC
The OP could at least have said Por Favor!
Zanulf Steelfist
Clandroid Gaming
#133 - 2012-06-12 09:21:53 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Zanulf Steelfist wrote:
Yo creo que si CCP nos lo preguntase amablemente podiramos ayudar con la traduccion.


holy conjugation batman



Jelly of my awesome language skillz??
Tenchi Sal
White Knights of Equestria
#134 - 2012-06-12 12:52:30 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:


Now you try the Zimmerman approach "I'm not racist because I'm Latino too"... meh If you don't want Hispanics to have their client that's your choice. But don't come here saying that there are more Japanese players than Hispanics players. That's just pure BS. We exist, we are here and we are quite a few. Do not belittle us.... expect us.


You're one dumb ************, aren't you.

Calling my stance racist now? Jesus H Christ this is pointless.


i agree. theres no reason why you cant give hispanics their own client. it doesnt effect any other player who uses other localized clients. a player who wants the client in english will still have their client in english.

in fact most of the people against it seem to be quite racist. you can go through and see a lot of stereotypical, comments on here when people are just trying to get a client localized.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#135 - 2012-06-13 07:56:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Shameless Avenger
Akirei Scytale wrote:

Calling my stance racist now? Jesus H Christ this is pointless.


Yup I call you racist. Spanish Localization does not affect you or your game play, yet here you are advocating against it, spreading lies about the Hispanic population out of hatred and racism.

How many Hispanic players exist in game? Or more importantly... how many Hispanics *TRIED* the game and didn't subscribe because the lack of a Spanish Client? You don't know. Only CCP knows. You can only guess. You can say you don't know any. I'm telling you I know quite a few.

And again, the questions you keep evading... how many Japanese alliances you know? Yet there's a client for it. So, what's your problem?

And BTW... about Vera Cruz... the alliance influence map is wrong (here). If you were praising them because you thought they had the key to your ano (No joke, Test Alliance's back door entrance is a system called Y-2ANO), please check the ingame map because Vera Cruz doesn't hold that system, 99 Percent does.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2012-06-13 08:01:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
Only - only - if they get their own server. Localized clients by default allows people who don't speak English to play the game; how do you expect these people to get along with the rest of the English-speaking international community that is EVE?

I don't want to be ransomed by legendary space pirate El Pollo Loco who doesn't speak English!

Jokes aside, separating and diving the player-base over localized clients is never a good idea. By only having a client in English you allow people from all nationalities to come together and understand each-other because the most basic form of English is required by all to even play the game.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#137 - 2012-06-13 08:05:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Shameless Avenger
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Only - only - if they get their own server. Localized clients by default allows people who don't speak English to play the game; how do you expect these people to get along with the rest of the English-speaking international community that is EVE?

I don't want to be ransomed by legendary space pirate El Pollo Loco who doesn't speak English!

Jokes aside, separating and diving the player-base over localized clients is never a good idea.


You haven't been on Russian space haven't you?

Again, the same thing all over again... there are already multiple localized clients... russian, german, japanese... are you saying those were not a good idea? They are already there... nothing has broke because of it.

PS: BTW... any pirate called El Pollo Loco must be flying a Zealot.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Otrebla Utrigas
Iberians
#138 - 2012-06-13 08:07:31 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Only - only - if they get their own server. Localized clients by default allows people who don't speak English to play the game; how do you expect these people to get along with the rest of the English-speaking international community that is EVE?

I don't want to be ransomed by legendary space pirate El Pollo Loco who doesn't speak English!

Jokes aside, separating and diving the player-base over localized clients is never a good idea.

I don't see the problem really. Localized clients just help an average non english fluent player to know what is what in the ingame menus or in the market.

But most people if not everyone can understand or write "money or pod kill" "how much" "20mill or die"

Even the mighty pirate "El pollo loco".

As I said, I don't care about a spanish client since I can manage myself quite well in english, but at least 2 friends of mine tried the game and left because it was in english.

Blame their lazyness or our schools but the fact is they would be playing if the game was translated to spanish.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2012-06-13 08:08:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Only - only - if they get their own server. Localized clients by default allows people who don't speak English to play the game; how do you expect these people to get along with the rest of the English-speaking international community that is EVE?

I don't want to be ransomed by legendary space pirate El Pollo Loco who doesn't speak English!

Jokes aside, separating and diving the player-base over localized clients is never a good idea.


You haven't been on Russian space haven't you?

Again, the same thing all over again... there are already multiple localized clients... russian, german, japanese... are you saying those were not a good idea? They are already there... nothing has broke because of it.


I think it has been made clear that in my personal opinion, any localized client is a bad idea.

a. When I think about a Swedish client, I want to /facedesk repeatedly due to how corny it would be.

b. Dividing and separating people is never a good idea. If you insist on having localized clients, you'd have to.

Otrebla Utrigas wrote:

As I said, I don't care about a spanish client since I can manage myself quite well in english, but at least 2 friends of mine tried the game and left because it was in english.

Blame their lazyness or our schools but the fact is they would be playing if the game was translated to spanish.


Now, I don't mean any offense or nothing, but do we really want/need those kinds of players? If you can't be bothered to try and learn English, in the international world of 2012, what can you really contribute?

Shameless Avenger wrote:

PS: BTW... any pirate called El Pollo Loco must be flying a Zealot.


What about El Pollo Diablo?

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#140 - 2012-06-13 08:28:25 UTC
This isn't merely about localizing the client. CCP would have to hire several Spanish-speaking GMs and community staff. They'd have to create Spanish forum sections and otherwise spend a substantial amount of time and money - this isn't something that can be done overnight. I also doubt that they'd want to promise anything because, well, CCP has a history with promises.

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