EVE New Citizens Q&A

I have recently returned and have started looking at joining a corporation but I do have some hang-ups and trust issues, maybe my mom didn't love me enough.... I hope this is a decent forum to ask this in, maybe I should ask in C&P though?

I have been talking to a recruiter and all my questions were answered thoughtfully and coherently, but a couple flags have gone up, at least to me.

One, getting access to a JF to move articles out to their space seems almost two easy, supposedly they have jumps almost every day. I don't know a lot about JF's, but I would assume moving items every day would be rather expensive and not very cost effective.

Second, asking about opportunities to pad the bank account we of course get on topic of rats, the person seemed almost a little eager saying that my vargur is a great ship to haul out for their main NPC region. Hauling such an expensive ship out to the middle of null when you don't know anyone and are very fresh to a corp just sounds like not so good advice.

Lastly, I tried to do some digging on the corp, the recruiter who has contacted me does not have many posts, and the one post that I have found regarding the corp actually shows up in this forum where a guy believes he was scammed, and after reading reading his post I most definitely agree he was, who pays to join a corp?

Note: they have not asked me to pay, and the member accused of operating the scam is not the person who has contacted me.

So, honest question and I hope for at least one or two honest answers, are those enough red flags that you would back off of joining said corp?

Thank you.

Yes.

1. The Vargur is purely a mission ship and should never be used for ratting.
2. If someone contacts you about joining and not the other way around, they don't want you, they want your ISK.

Just a quick response to number two, I did make a post in the recruitment forums, this is an alt, I do not want to needlessly give a corp that I know little about a black eye, unless of course I have good reason.

As for the vargur, it is not only for ratting, I believe they said they can do mission ops and such in the NPC portions of space. I don't know if this is even possible off the top of my head, I have never been in a null-sec corp that had NPC space within easy reach.

Your entire response is just utterly **** to be honest.

1) Ive seen marauders used with great efficiency for ratting, they might be "mission" ships but hey, a vargur is a great ratting ship if you fit it right.

2) A corp might contact someone if theyve taken notice of someone and they like him/her. Could be several reasons why, not all people get recruited through friends or the recruitment channel you know.

To your concerns:

1.) JF cost money to run, but there are plenty of people who make more then enough to make daily JF runs (given it's clear / safe enough to jump). However be careful, it is also a great way to steal people's assets (not really helping your concerns, but rather be honost here).

2.) Good point, don't take all your ships straight into null. Start small, maybe buy a 2nd ship (doesn't have to be the vargur) and start building up from that. Keep the Vargur in high-sec just in case.

3.) NEVER pay to join a corp. Not many post doesn't mean they are bad though. But do some extend research.

BTW, by any chance the guy you were talking too was part of Goonswarm ????

Marjolaine has a link, read that as it has a great guide on how to find a corp.

Zoe's 2nd point is valid, you must find a corp, a corp never searches for members, they recruit. The times a corp actually hunts for people instead of people looking for corps is very small

Zoe's 1st point, exactly marauders are build to shoot and salvage at the same time, something you can also do while ratting. (salvage isn't just done in missions).

There are varying degrees of trust. Do i trust that random girl i just slept with to not kill me in my sleep? Sure; Would I bring her home to my place and trust her not to steal any of my ****? Maybe; Would I trust her to take a bullet for me should that come up? Nope.


Same thing applies to eve, I'd just a corp I just joined to jump out a bc for me, but a marauder? No way

It was posted somewhere in Seleene's post but it holds true. Finding the right corp is a bit like marriage. Before you wed you'd like to date a bit first.

Before you give them assets go to their ts. Do they seem like cool folk? Do you like hanging out with them?

Truth be told you don't want to be passively recruited. I never got the "here I am, come get me" posts. They scream for getting scammed. Instead you want to do research. Do what you'd like of your future corp and meet them on the field or seek them out yourself.

Sounds like you want to go to zero. Take care...

this all sounds rather normal

just rat in a maelstrom for a bit and if they don't scam you out of your meagre investment and you spend a sufficient amount of time in their corp and feel you can trust them, then bring your vargur down.

also NPC 0.0 is fairly dangerous due to its lack of security, so that's another reason why you might want to start with a regular BS first

You could always join thier corp and pod yourself down to their home system and buy a ship or two there to use for a bit while you get acclimated to their corp/alliance and get to know the folks in it. You would only be risking a pod and whatever you buy in system. Much less risky than bringing all of your stuff to nullsec with a corp you dont know.

If it is a goon or test corp or one of their affiliates it is, of course, a scam and you should have done your research in advance. If it is not one of theirs then there is a good chance that it is a legitimate offer.

I was in a small alliance in NPC Null, we had a weekly JF run and I saw Vargur's used for ratting and running sites. I don't see either of the issues you raised as particularly suspicious. A single corp member running some sort of scam, you don't say what, not even if it was related to recruiting new members. Even if it was, hardly conclusive evidence. At least there wasn't a string of scams uncovered.

However, can you trust them?. That is something you have to decide yourself. But I wouldn't send a Vargur on the first trip and why even consider it if they have daily JF runs? Send a ratting BC on the first run. A Drake is an ideal null sec ratter, if you can't get into a Drake, send an Arty Hurricane. Go down in a Covert Ops ship and spend a week with them, exploring the area, setting up bookmarks and trying out a bit of ratting. After a week get a Maelstrom brought down, that is more than adequate for belt rats and anomalies. As you get more comfortable, ship more gear down in small packets, little and often until you are really sure about them.

Personally, I wouldn't bother sending the Vargur. Leave it in high sec as your back up to return to if it all goes wrong. But even that advice depends on how rich you are and your attitude to loss. Some people do it, lose it and replace it the next day without batting an eyelid.