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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#241 - 2012-06-13 03:16:01 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
I agree with everything you say here. Now how do you feel about a player's choice to whine in public about inability to adapt and how we should change or he's leaving and what that says about his sportsmanship?

Similar to our choice to make fun of an obvious overblown or possibly trolling "quitting EVE" thread from a serial "unsubber" ?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#242 - 2012-06-13 03:34:42 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
I agree with everything you say here. Now how do you feel about a player's choice to whine in public about inability to adapt and how we should change or he's leaving and what that says about his sportsmanship?

Similar to our choice to make fun of an obvious overblown or possibly trolling "quitting EVE" thread from a serial "unsubber" ?


There's another kind of loud forum unsubber?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#243 - 2012-06-13 03:42:46 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
I agree with everything you say here. Now how do you feel about a player's choice to whine in public about inability to adapt and how we should change or he's leaving and what that says about his sportsmanship?

Similar to our choice to make fun of an obvious overblown or possibly trolling "quitting EVE" thread from a serial "unsubber" ?

There's another kind of loud forum unsubber?

Besides overblown or a possible troll?

Eh, well if I was unsubbing an account after it had finished training my alt and I was moving it into a character slot in another account, I'd make a post about it ...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
ISD Stensson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#244 - 2012-06-13 04:27:14 UTC
Please keep in mind rules about pyramid quoting.

Quote:
Pyramid quoting is a response to a forum thread that contains the quotes of four or more previous posters, sometimes with additional spaces added unnecessarily. Posts of this nature are not conducive to community spirit and are unwelcome.

[b]ISD Stensson Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
Tao Arnst
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#245 - 2012-06-13 04:36:36 UTC
Greyscale Dash wrote:
Apparently the survey results indicate that most people do two very naughty things.

1. play solo
2. are pve only.

In fact, only about 1/4 of all players are interested in the pvp aspects of the game.


This is unacceptable.
We obviously aren't trying hard enough to force them into lo sec.

Time to step up the ganking. They resist, but once they lose some hulks and are forced down they'll enjoy the game.


your a fail

'ganking' a unarmed ship isn't pvp, thats bvp('bitches' vs Player)

Was the Title "Inferno" given to this release because its a Steaming Pile of S**t? Most people embrace GOOD change Parasites embrace BAD change ccp supports the degradation of society

Damitrius
Wraith Inc
#246 - 2012-06-13 20:34:36 UTC
I'll post the same tired thing I post in all of these threads that try and convince everyone to move to null and join an alliance. I am a purely industrial character. I make plenty of ISK working in highsec and a little in lowsec, with little risk. I do not whine, or get upset when I get ganked, nor do I ask for any additional protection, I realize it is part of the game. I do not have more than 30 minutes to an hour of time each day to play Eve. I also do not have the patience to sit around waiting for people to get organized in order to do anything. I also have little to no desire to be told what to do by anyone else in a video game. With all that being said, I am completely willing to contribute to the overall goals of whatever particular alliance, assuming they have something to offer me in return for my services. So tell me, what use do you have for me, and what can you offer me in return for me moving to null and joining your alliance?
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#247 - 2012-06-13 20:38:33 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
It's hard to PvP and surf pron at the same time Sad

Same for fried chicken. Can't eat it and PVP at the same time. Therefore we need some high sec places.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#248 - 2012-06-13 21:29:34 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
It's hard to PvP and surf pron at the same time Sad

Same for fried chicken. Can't eat it and PVP at the same time. Therefore we need some high sec places.


Just stop using hotkeys and learn to use the mouse lefty. No more problems.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Atrocitus Parallax
Doomheim
#249 - 2012-06-13 21:56:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Atrocitus Parallax
Getting people to do what is wanted can be accomplished 2 ways.

Make them by force.

Make them by desire.

Solutions to your problems lie in the above methods, option 2 would be the more time consuming method but the long term gain is greater.
Atrocitus Parallax
Doomheim
#250 - 2012-06-13 21:58:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Atrocitus Parallax
Damitrius poses an excellent question.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#251 - 2012-06-13 22:04:04 UTC
Damitrius wrote:
I'll post the same tired thing I post in all of these threads that try and convince everyone to move to null and join an alliance. I am a purely industrial character. I make plenty of ISK working in highsec and a little in lowsec, with little risk. I do not whine, or get upset when I get ganked, nor do I ask for any additional protection, I realize it is part of the game. I do not have more than 30 minutes to an hour of time each day to play Eve. I also do not have the patience to sit around waiting for people to get organized in order to do anything. I also have little to no desire to be told what to do by anyone else in a video game. With all that being said, I am completely willing to contribute to the overall goals of whatever particular alliance, assuming they have something to offer me in return for my services. So tell me, what use do you have for me, and what can you offer me in return for me moving to null and joining your alliance?


We're not trying to convince you to join anyone. We are just pointing out that one way to avoid the issue of suicide ganking entirely is to move to low/null.

There are other ways to adapt to HAG as well. People usually yell at me when I post them. It hurts my feelings when I get yelled at for being helpful.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#252 - 2012-06-13 22:11:17 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Damitrius wrote:
I'll post the same tired thing I post in all of these threads that try and convince everyone to move to null and join an alliance. I am a purely industrial character. I make plenty of ISK working in highsec and a little in lowsec, with little risk. I do not whine, or get upset when I get ganked, nor do I ask for any additional protection, I realize it is part of the game. I do not have more than 30 minutes to an hour of time each day to play Eve. I also do not have the patience to sit around waiting for people to get organized in order to do anything. I also have little to no desire to be told what to do by anyone else in a video game. With all that being said, I am completely willing to contribute to the overall goals of whatever particular alliance, assuming they have something to offer me in return for my services. So tell me, what use do you have for me, and what can you offer me in return for me moving to null and joining your alliance?


We're not trying to convince you to join anyone. We are just pointing out that one way to avoid the issue of suicide ganking entirely is to move to low/null.

There are other ways to adapt to HAG as well. People usually yell at me when I post them. It hurts my feelings when I get yelled at for being helpful.


Hey, we have the same swizzy background.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#253 - 2012-06-13 22:17:16 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Damitrius wrote:
I'll post the same tired thing I post in all of these threads that try and convince everyone to move to null and join an alliance. I am a purely industrial character. I make plenty of ISK working in highsec and a little in lowsec, with little risk. I do not whine, or get upset when I get ganked, nor do I ask for any additional protection, I realize it is part of the game. I do not have more than 30 minutes to an hour of time each day to play Eve. I also do not have the patience to sit around waiting for people to get organized in order to do anything. I also have little to no desire to be told what to do by anyone else in a video game. With all that being said, I am completely willing to contribute to the overall goals of whatever particular alliance, assuming they have something to offer me in return for my services. So tell me, what use do you have for me, and what can you offer me in return for me moving to null and joining your alliance?


We're not trying to convince you to join anyone. We are just pointing out that one way to avoid the issue of suicide ganking entirely is to move to low/null.

There are other ways to adapt to HAG as well. People usually yell at me when I post them. It hurts my feelings when I get yelled at for being helpful.


Hey, we have the same swizzy background.



Aww swizzle-sticks. And here I thought I was special.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#254 - 2012-06-13 22:21:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Damitrius wrote:
I'll post the same tired thing I post in all of these threads that try and convince everyone to move to null and join an alliance. I am a purely industrial character. I make plenty of ISK working in highsec and a little in lowsec, with little risk. I do not whine, or get upset when I get ganked, nor do I ask for any additional protection, I realize it is part of the game. I do not have more than 30 minutes to an hour of time each day to play Eve. I also do not have the patience to sit around waiting for people to get organized in order to do anything. I also have little to no desire to be told what to do by anyone else in a video game. With all that being said, I am completely willing to contribute to the overall goals of whatever particular alliance, assuming they have something to offer me in return for my services. So tell me, what use do you have for me, and what can you offer me in return for me moving to null and joining your alliance?

Hey, you're really different. Are you sure you're on the right forums, this is General Whines.

What do you do for fun in EVE? This is an important part of the game to be aware of.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#255 - 2012-06-13 22:23:30 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Hey, you're really different. Are you sure you're on the right forums, this is General Whines.


Corporal Soft-n-Ganked reporting for duty, General Whines. o7

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#256 - 2012-06-13 22:33:22 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
What do you do for fun in EVE? This is an important part of the game to be aware of.


Manufacturing, Invention, Market and Contracts are all PvP avenues. Just because they don't directly involve blowing things up doesn't make them any less PvP. Some people get their jollies out of maximising profit ratio in a competitive market environment (it's the spreadsheeter's equivalent of "killboard efficiency").

What is needed — in order to get more hisec folks to low/null — is more reporting of just how much fun null sec is, pointing out the industrial competition that exists, and even some feel good stories about how industrialists have "made it" in null sec. You want to lure people to null sec, not attempt to push them. If you try pushing them, they'll just go play a different game.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#257 - 2012-06-13 22:55:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Mara Rinn wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
What do you do for fun in EVE? This is an important part of the game to be aware of.


Manufacturing, Invention, Market and Contracts are all PvP avenues. Just because they don't directly involve blowing things up doesn't make them any less PvP. Some people get their jollies out of maximising profit ratio in a competitive market environment (it's the spreadsheeter's equivalent of "killboard efficiency").

What is needed — in order to get more hisec folks to low/null — is more reporting of just how much fun null sec is, pointing out the industrial competition that exists, and even some feel good stories about how industrialists have "made it" in null sec. You want to lure people to null sec, not attempt to push them. If you try pushing them, they'll just go play a different game.

Except for maybe supercapital (and normal capital I guess) you may have heard there isn't all that much production in nullsec. Other than moon mining and PI...

But if you like having your investments kicked over, you might try building supercapitals in Cobalt Edge, I hear their CSAAs get burned down regularly. Business risk, you know ~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Tesal
#258 - 2012-06-14 02:06:03 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
Chief Bob wrote:
Dolt. I don't mine. I think non-consensual pvp in high-sec is great and should be encouraged. Don't have a problem PvPing myself on occasion, its just not what I prefer to do in the sandbox.

That wasn't a statement about mechanics or PVE vs. PVP. That was a statement about the prevailing attitude of null-sec players. I really could care less about e-peen measurements and the internet tough guy crap. I also have no interest in dedicating my life to EVE, no matter how good the game is.

I prefer spend the majority of my time in reality, and my leisure time in EVE. That's why I don't belong in null.

Dolt, huh?

Well, since I'm obviously so foolish it would be silly for me to point out all the casual gamers who successfully play the game in null-sec.

You don't belong in null because you decided you don't belong in null.

Your "reasoning" is an excuse or a justification, nothing more.


I had my main in empire, 2 characters in null and one in low sec. By my reasoning everyone in nullsec really lives in empire.
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#259 - 2012-06-14 11:45:34 UTC
The fail is strong in this thread.
Herr Hammer Draken
#260 - 2012-06-14 11:52:03 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
Or CCP can take 75% of their income and donate it to fund therapy for recovering kb-humpers. Same effect.Big smile


No, it just means CCP is so caught up in pleasing a small percentage of their player base, when clearly there is a larger portion that wants more PvE aspects added. I bet if CCP were to really do something about adding WiS and more PvE elements, this games subs would go through the roof.


Yep, but it wouldn't be EVE anymore. And I wouldn't be playing it.


But your 7 alts would be.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"