EVE General Discussion

Also, trading is PvP and it's indeed done for the ISK.

Fountain of isk dried.

We never cared about WH's, risk/reward was clearly in balance.

Agreed.

It seems pretty well accepted that the average wormhole shmoe takes more risk and puts in more effort to get his greater reward over his nullsec counterpart. Unsurprisingly, almost everyone has been happy to leave that little slice of Eve known as wormholes as is because it has generally been an astounding success in terms of adding well-balanced diversity to the game.

I will also confidently add that nullsec players have generally supported substantial buffs to lowsec income and content, as we recognize a blatantly broken and neglected gameplay element and swathe of community.

That same respect and consideration, however, has never been extended to the obviously broken and imbalanced incursion content.

the solution was to make them exclusive to lowsec

problem solved

Mostly left because the income and the bothersome issue of moving ships from point A to point B each time was more bothersome than actually rewarding. Add to that that few people actually play and have a life outside game that makes it that they cannot engage more than few hours of gameplay

Add to that when making fleets (HQ/AS) takes ages and not to forgive that if someone leaves the whole fleet just stands at a planet doing nothing but linking fukung images in fleet. And VG running sites then having someone leave and again standing at a planet doing nothing. Making the influence bar being high all the time etc etc.

HQ/AS never needed nerf, only thing they needed to do was random spawns and less payout more LP for VG and not having to kill EVERYTHING on a site.

Only real payout issue with incursions was the Legion fleets or the Nightmare fleets running OTA/NCO that had massive income per hour.

Scout sites need boost since tthey give less payout than ratting in feaking highsec.

Also funny fact that another fleet stealing sites from another fleet is not a given risk is quite funny for me.
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I left incursion few days ago since I did not feel like it was something interesting anymore. There is to little people running this nowdays that having a fleet is bothersome and FCing even more. Also logging in each time and notice that next incursion is 30j away and have to move 3 ships to next site is well bothersome. Found that running Missions in highsec with friends was better than looking for people in broken or dead communities.

Not saying that it did not need any balancing but saying that this nerf was a good one just screams ignorant to me that did not do his homework and screams NERF being the sheep he is.

Balancing was needed but again CCP like always doing it wrong.

Incursion Vanguards fleets are dieing because they become a wall of OTA's basically and CCP doesn't have the time to make the real changes necessary to the sites so they stumble around the elephant in the room with 2 rollbacks that look to be a slap in the face from what people's feedback of those whom actually run them.

CCP rolling something back....

Couldn't possibly mean anything.

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72880

OTAs went from being too easy to dangerous. People avoid them because poorly tanked ships can't be rescued by hero logistics, and when ships blow up people panic and blame the logistics, and the logistics don't like being the whipping boy. So the logistics quit, so none has fleets anymore.

CCP needs to learn the art of driving a tack with a tack hammer, rather than hitting everything with their 500lb hammer of doom. Any PvPer knows that even a 1% improvement in performance is enough to change the outcome of a fight. OTAs were buffed by about 20%: full waves have to be killed, there are more ships in each wave, and those ships are more dangerous. The Vanguard income nerf was well deserved, but the simultaneous buffing of vanguard sites along with increasing Sansha influence gains was heavy-handed.

In the meantime, staging sites are still left alone because they are of no interest to anyone.

yeah somehow I don't think that eve losing a bunch of retired wow raiders would be bad