Market Discussions

As a Trader in Eve universe I was always a risky business but for a good profit at times , with the Inferno expansion this now has just become a risky business . CCP developers decided to remove Meta 0 from the loot tables.This meant that an awful lot more Meta 1-4 items now drop and are put straight onto the markets .This means basically the Market prices have crashed .Now is there really a point in us traders actually going around the trade hubs trying to make a profit ... I just dont see the point in it any more . Hopefully one day the developers will see their folly and bring back the old system , while not perfect it worked ,, At this rate of fall .. a meta four item will just be just worth its value in reprocessing . is this what we really want ?

It's great news for inventors though: http://eveonomics.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/costs-and-benefits-of-decryptors.html

So take up inventing and all your stock is useful Or trade something else I guess - given the inflation in many other categories of items it seems a good time to be a trader. Just trying to look on the bright side for you - I can't see CCP undoing these changes, since the logic behind them seems to take the game in a direction they want to go (no more "gun mining") so I suspect you're going to have to adapt.

this is what i thought too. the % of module drops being meta 1-4 has gone up since meta 0 was removed, however the volume of modules per rat should remain constant. a drop in prices would mean that more people are ratting thus the whole supply and demand thing lowering prices.

All meta 0 were replaced with metal scraps.

however meta4 volume spiked almost times 4-5 in some regions, since that day.
that leads people to believe that they ninja-changed the loot table. as it wasn't announced.

Because metal scraps take such low m3 space, people can loot lot more meta 1-4 modules from single mission before they run out of cargo space. Before you had to left usually some loot behind because your ship was full already. I think this explains some of the increased meta 1-4 amount. I recall devs saying that they didn't change loot drop chances at all, just replaced meta 0 with metal scraps.

Also because of drone regions nerf and because of incursion nerf a lot of players have probably gone back to missions and thus the amount of looted modules has increased this way too.

As a side effect meta 0 module prices have increased considerably...

Dezolf I was only stating what I have seen from the market hubs , that sell prices have dropped considerably due to more of the items being for sale , supply and demand etc , therefore I came to the conclusion rightly or wrongly that more Meta 1-4 items were dropping from loot drops and ending up on the markets, therefore prices will drop . Incursion being nerfed ? I thought they were trying to expand it more ?

I came in late to the incursion community and from my experience you are quite correct, people were heavily focused on simply generating isk. Many of the runners that I flew with were like myself, playing on alts to fund their other accounts activities (ie FW, low sec pies and A LOT of 0.0 null seccers).

On top of these players were 'professional' incursion runners, whom spent most of their online time grinding incursions. There was community there, but the be all and end all of the community's reason to exist was high payout incursion running in hi-sec. When that was removed, all but a handful of players left to return to lvl 4 grinding.

Simply put, Dez is right. It was only about the isk fountain which they ironically now believe they have some sort of god given right to. If hi-sec incursions do come back into play with high lvl payouts (somewhere in the region of a 25-30% boost) I for one am investing heavily in Meta 3 and 4 products. Then I will be back running them as well...

Gut feeling, the Devs where as surprised as we all are about the Meta drops going up.
That or the Devs where rushed into releasing inferno....

The Incursion rollback will NOT afect the current state of Incursions one iota. The changes are insignificant to the root of the problem why Incursioners left Vanguards in mass.

That's actually not an unreasonable explanation.