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Crimes for Unposted Policies?

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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#1 - 2012-06-12 18:33:59 UTC
So warnings and temp bans are being issued for doing anything with cans or the SOE Epic Arcs now, but as far as I've seen, nothing has been posted. If someone has a link for the updated policies, I'd appreciate it. I wouldn't want to get banned for rules that CCP are making up, enforcing, and not making public.

Can we get an official list of your new classification for "rookie systems" since the GMs are now responding to can baiting in places like Arnon (0.6), Hek (0.5), and other parts of the Epic Arc chain?

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Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#2 - 2012-06-12 18:40:50 UTC
How about this... Don't harass the noobs doing the sister's of eve epic, grow a set, and fight people who can and will fight back?
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#3 - 2012-06-12 18:45:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
How about this... Don't harass the noobs doing the sister's of eve epic, grow a set, and fight people who can and will fight back?

Yeah, screw the rules, right?

All you need to play an informed game of Eve is a set! Roll

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-06-12 18:57:57 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Yeah, screw the rules, right?

Rules are for the small minds that need them.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.

Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#5 - 2012-06-12 19:22:17 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Yeah, screw the rules, right?

Rules are for the small minds that need them.

Wait. What?

If I don't know what the rules are, how am I supposed to know if I'm breaking them?

Dumbest.

Post.

Ever.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#6 - 2012-06-12 19:25:35 UTC
I'd also like some clarification.

I'm on the last part of the SOE storyline and can't break Dagon's tank.

I figured I'd wait until four days until I got Engineering to V and could fit that last gun, but I might ask in Local for help instead.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Grinder2210
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-06-12 19:59:43 UTC
bump
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#8 - 2012-06-12 20:12:44 UTC
What a curious thread.

All parties make somewhat of a good point. The rules that the far off CCP Corporation feel they need to enforce can seem random at times.

However, new capsuleers - although competitors are still the life blood of the economy and can be afforded some protections.

Either way I really have no real care either way I just wanted to say to the OP you are one sexy looking boy!
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#9 - 2012-06-12 20:27:13 UTC
Unless there are other considerations we are unaware of (always possible) then CCP should not be intervening in can baiting outside of rookie systems... at least not without an announcement and rules update.

On the other hand, that's really pretty lame people. Cut the noobs some slack, if for no other reason than to avoid becoming the newest laughing stock of the EVE community.

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Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-06-12 20:34:54 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Yeah, screw the rules, right?

Rules are for the small minds that need them.

Wait. What?

If I don't know what the rules are, how am I supposed to know if I'm breaking them?

Dumbest.

Post.

Ever.


Common sense is the word you are looking for.....

Ex: where do newbies go after the starter agents? A: Epic arc
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-06-12 20:35:09 UTC
This thread is ridiculous.

We know nothing about the situation at hand. We don't know how noobish these guys were
and we don't know what exactly happened. We don't even have chatlogs.

We have the suspicion of a questonable mindset regarding people and their playstyle towards noobs.

In before the Lock.
Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-06-12 20:36:39 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
This thread is ridiculous.

We know nothing about the situation at hand. We don't know how noobish these guys were
and we don't know what exactly happened. We don't even have chatlogs.

We have the suspicion of a questonable mindset regarding people and their playstyle towards noobs.

In before the Lock.


So you think the worms are can baiting veterans? Not rocket science nor mysticism to figure out their mindset.
Zedrich Ederech
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-06-12 20:44:41 UTC
Not just can baiting - we have either pirates or griefers ninjalooting quest items - as well as getting first aggro on mission rats.
Frustrates new players to no end especially since we all know it's older more experienced and higher SP skilled pilots doing it, and obviously have better ships and mods than newer players, so yeah, bloodbath.

PvP is a fight; griefing on noobs is just, yeah, griefing. They don't play Battleclinic / killboard decoration like some pirate who gets a lame newbie or miner gank killmail every 5-30 minutes or so.

Folks, we were all once new to this game - don't forget that.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-06-12 20:51:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Savage Angel wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
This thread is ridiculous.

We know nothing about the situation at hand. We don't know how noobish these guys were
and we don't know what exactly happened. We don't even have chatlogs.

We have the suspicion of a questonable mindset regarding people and their playstyle towards noobs.

In before the Lock.


So you think the worms are can baiting veterans? Not rocket science nor mysticism to figure out their mindset.


No, all i'm saying that this thread is ridiculous.
They are obviously getting contacted by GMs, so it's all good and done.
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-06-12 20:53:09 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
If I don't know what the rules are, how am I supposed to know if I'm breaking them?


Bait noobs, achieve enlightenment.


Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#16 - 2012-06-12 20:53:53 UTC
When I'm "hunting" epic arc missioners, I will target BC and above ship classes and normally this means the character is 1 month or greater. Quite often it's more than 2-4 months. I am not out killing the 1 week - 2 week old newbs flying vexors and catalysts because there isn't any sport in that kind of "fishing."

But regardless the point of the post isn't for "killing teh noobs! I'm a terrible person!" I just want clarification on current rules that are being enforced that aren't posted anywhere as being rules. Prior to this, Arnon and other epic arc systems have not been considered a rookie system via the "anti rookie" policy. Enforcing policies that aren't made available is just bad taste because then how do we know we're breaking a rule if it was never declared a rule in the first place?

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Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#17 - 2012-06-12 20:53:58 UTC
Zedrich Ederech wrote:
Not just can baiting - we have either pirates or griefers ninjalooting quest items - as well as getting first aggro on mission rats.
Frustrates new players to no end especially since we all know it's older more experienced and higher SP skilled pilots doing it, and obviously have better ships and mods than newer players, so yeah, bloodbath.

PvP is a fight; griefing on noobs is just, yeah, griefing. They don't play Battleclinic / killboard decoration like some pirate who gets a lame newbie or miner gank killmail every 5-30 minutes or so.

Folks, we were all once new to this game - don't forget that.


Many do though, citing the Sandbox. It's a shame really.

John Hancock

THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#18 - 2012-06-12 20:54:14 UTC
Noob can baiting is considered low even among the thieves and murderers.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?

Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-06-12 20:54:22 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
No, all i'm saying that this thread is ridiculous.


Talk to the fine human being that opened it, he has the knowledge you seek.
Xenuria
#20 - 2012-06-12 20:56:06 UTC
I feel that any player that deliberately seeks out newer players or trial users with the intention to cause them grief or harm is a loser. If you can't cut it in null sec or you lack the smarts and skill to pvp then why should somebody who is just getting into the game has to take your abuse?

Seriously!

If you have noob kills on your killboard then you are cancer and should be taken out behind the chemical sheds and shot. The same goes for people that have 100+ kills but 99 of them are velator kills.

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