EVE General Discussion

When you ignore something and someone points it out, its not a strawman.

People pay for this game with real world currency. Therefore their enjoyment level is absolutely critical to CCP's success, no matter what your opinions are.



Quote of the year 2010, when CCP hit its high point for subscriptions.

9 years and still growing. Seems people are happy with the way EVE works.

The game is 9 years old and has less subscribers than 2 years ago. CCP admitted that they almost went bankrupt over player exodus.

"9 years old and still growing" is not accurate at all.

"9 years old and growing" is true, but not the whole story.

"9 years old and growing towards a point it had once been" is the intellectually honest way to word what you are trying to say.



Have to admit, I lol'd.

But the way EVE works has changed over time. It was, in fact, harsher at the beginning. It's gradually been carebear-ified over time, but that was always done in a circumspect way, without losing the essential FFA open-world PvP aspect.

So in fact, "people were happy" with the carebearish direction it was going in for a while, but something changed more recently.

What changed more recently is the lower class of player that's infested the game in recent years. It's no longer a game that has FFA open world PvP realism because that contributes to the sense of a virtual world (a "multiplayer Elite"), it's now a game in which it's widely known that you can be an asshat with little consequence - IOW, the open world PvP is a mere enabler of asshattery and metagaming.

The tail is now wagging the dog.

So, bang goes the neighbourhood, and people start leaving.

Does anyone even care that this game is a virtual make-believe universe any more? Do many players even care about the lore any more? Or do most players just laugh at all that stuff now? Is it all merely about jumping into an internet spaceship for some pew-pew now?

Constantly, I see whining in the forums about making the game easier to get into - and that usually means "easier to jump into an uber ship and start pwning noobs". It's that attitude that's killing the spirit of the game (not the actual game itself - EVE will go on for years to come - but the spirit of the game, the core idea of the game).

NO, NO, NO, a thousand times NO!!!! This is a roleplaying game - which means that even if you aren't a "serious" roleplayer, your actions ought to respect the idea that you aren't Joe Blow sitting at your computer merely playing a game, but you are Joe Blow imaginatively finding his place and carving out a career (solo or with others) in an imaginary world.

EVE is being devalued by its own players. CCP have given people a sandbox, and there's a whole bunch of players who are basically just shitting in it.

WTS Pooper Scooper (republic fleet version)

Can't we all just get along?

According to Dr. E, that's not good for Eve.

So I guess we get more abloobloobloo.

The pot I'm smoking.

Edit: link was borked, now fixed.

Never stop posting bro.

Obviously, the game thrives on conflict, but in the old days, it was roleplaying conflict (I don't mean in a "heavy" way, like serious RP-ers do, but in a loose general, rp-lite sort of way - i.e. the players in the game were into the idea of this big, s-f universe, and into the idea of imaginatively putting themselves in it).

Or to put it another way: in the old days, it was EVE players against the world. All of us, PvP-ers and PvE-ers alike, were proud to play in a wonderfully-realized s-f game that had full-on FFA open-world PvP because that made it a more realistic, MORE ENGAGING virtual world.

Now it's EVE players against EVE players.

That's the "fence" and IMHO that's the reason for EVE's bumpy subscription ride atm.

It just becomes more prominent as the game attracts more players.

But lets keep in mind, that if EVE always remained in the state it was in, in the "good old days" you wouldn't have the players you have today.

I'd rather EVE had 500k players under the system we have today, then 100k under the system it had 8-9 years ago. This is by far the best system of any FFA pvp mmo on the market. The fact that it's the most succesful is proof of that.


Both sides are responcible for giving the game a bad rep by continuing to post about how the other side doesn't get it.
The only side that needs to get it is CCP, and they obviously do or the game wouldn't be were it is today.

Love it or hate, CCP must be doing something right and it sure aint mining!