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Manticore Tactics
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Algathas
Swamp Panthers
SONS of BANE
#21 - 2011-09-21 20:26:08 UTC
Due to it's size, a bomb would only kill a frigate (Even a T1 one) if it has a MWD on. Otherwise it could heavily damage it but not pop it. Also, if you launch a bomb then immediately launch torps, the bomb explosion can actually destroy a volley or two of torps if they are in mid flight when the bomb explodes.
Tagera
Dog Nation
#22 - 2011-09-21 20:37:26 UTC
Algathas wrote:
Due to it's size, a bomb would only kill a frigate (Even a T1 one) if it has a MWD on. Otherwise it could heavily damage it but not pop it. Also, if you launch a bomb then immediately launch torps, the bomb explosion can actually destroy a volley or two of torps if they are in mid flight when the bomb explodes.





Very true, sig radius plays alot. Some people actually use smartbombs as anti missile defense. Tough to do though.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#23 - 2011-09-21 23:18:25 UTC
Is it still the case that torpedoes in flight will wink out of existence when you cloak/warp off?

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Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#24 - 2011-09-21 23:24:02 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Is it still the case that torpedoes in flight will wink out of existence when you cloak/warp off?


Yes. They don't blink at per se but as soon as you 'initiate warp' than they will stop doing damage. Cloaking tbh I'm not sure about, would have to test.

I really hope someone who is actually new reads these threads and learns something.
Fortunea
World Miners
#25 - 2011-09-22 01:01:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Fortunea
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Is it still the case that torpedoes in flight will wink out of existence when you cloak/warp off?


Yes. They don't blink at per se but as soon as you 'initiate warp' than they will stop doing damage. Cloaking tbh I'm not sure about, would have to test.

I really hope someone who is actually new reads these threads and learns something.


kinda a compliment you dont think were new. but yeah.. argueing with you is a waste of time. i could care less what you think of us
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#26 - 2011-09-23 16:03:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Metal Icarus
Manticore tactics? Let me open my book of 100% certified nullsec tactics. All of this is from personal experience.

Even if you attack a hulk it is still possible to be killed by the drones if the guy has good drone skills. (Very possible in null) If you are going to solo in null, camp a bubble with a bomber and make sure that u make a bombing run that is on grid.

YOU CAN WARP THROUGH BUBBLES. (When in close proximity)

even if you put a target damp on your target and he can't target you, HIS DRONES STILL CAN

Your bomb will STILL DO DAMAGE IF YOU WARP OFF AFTER LAUNCHING (even off grid, and you wont recieve notice in your logs)

Regional gates are f-in HUGE (this sucks to camp without bookmarks with a sb)

hint: Make a drag bubble and bomb UNATTENTIVE targets that are MWD'ing back to gate, make the bombing run to intercept their path.

Try to fit agility rigs to help the bombing runs. If you are torping, your target should be HELPLESS (if you bomb a hulk and destroy his drones with the bomb) or you WILL DIE.

never engage a frigate/destroyer with torps (you will die for sure if they have guns equpped)

Last final rule that should NEVER BE BROKEN lest ye want to die: NEVER LAUNCH A BOMB and TURN AROUND to warp off.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2011-10-06 09:55:48 UTC
I've been following the 4 of you ever since you started the topic of ship fits for a 4 man PvP gang intended to hold systems hostage.

So far I'm only ROFL as EVERYTHING you need to know for this you still need to ask on forums, so far you fail at stuff.

But I give you credits for trying, I do hope you will suceed, but my first and only suggestion is, start by joining a good large corp with all 4 of you. You can still do your 4 man ransom plans but also can learn from other players in the corp.

p.s. I'm still waiting for you to show up in our systems to try and ransom us.

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#28 - 2011-10-06 11:59:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
J'Poll wrote:
I've been following the 4 of you ever since you started the topic of ship fits for a 4 man PvP gang intended to hold systems hostage.

So far I'm only ROFL as EVERYTHING you need to know for this you still need to ask on forums, so far you fail at stuff.

But I give you credits for trying, I do hope you will suceed, but my first and only suggestion is, start by joining a good large corp with all 4 of you. You can still do your 4 man ransom plans but also can learn from other players in the corp.

p.s. I'm still waiting for you to show up in our systems to try and ransom us.


They're actually genuine, that's the scary ****.

They've started losing terrible-fit recons and have 1 kill (by kill I mean, killmail whore) and some 20 losses.

So yeah, they're not trolls, they're just people with an utterly terrible attitude who think they know better.

Personally, I'm waiting for the inevitable "new players can't PVP in Eve" post.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-10-06 12:36:18 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Khanh'rhh wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
My old post here.


They're actually genuine, that's the scary ****.

They've started losing terrible-fit recons and have 1 kill (by kill I mean, killmail *****) and some 20 losses.

So yeah, they're not trolls, they're just people with an utterly terrible attitude who think they know better.

Personally, I'm waiting for the inevitable "new players can't PVP in Eve" post.


You won't ever hear me say that new players can't PvP in EVE.

It's just don't be a deuce about other peoples comments that help you find what you look and in the same time post a lot of forum threads about stuff you can easily find out by joining a corp (even if it's for just a short amount of time). It's the attitude that these guys have, they are still fairly new to EVE and already have the attitude of being one of the best ever PvP pilots in EVE which annoys people. They IMHO should relax a bit and agree they are still new and still have to learn a lot, best to do that is take advice (even if people don't give it in a nice polite way) and be able to handle negative comments. Best to learn is to TALK to people, not yell at them they are trolling etc.

I myself ain't a good PvP pilot eighter, my main profession is industry based stuff but living in null means I have to PvP sometimes. When I do I'm totally open to suggestions and comments by others in the fleet, this is the best way to learn stuff about PvP. Just ask and be able to manage answers (both positive and negative).

My suggestion still is:

Join a PvP corp, and don't like in the OPs former thread demand rediculious high expectations from a corp, and learn from vets in that corp.

Like with anything in RL, start small and then move up to bigger stuff.

*It's not that I like to troll these guys, but with the attitude they give to mostly genuine advice it's hard not too

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#30 - 2011-10-06 17:57:29 UTC
Mei guoren wrote:
I'm putting together my Manticore, and I'm trying to come up with some good tactics.
I started reading the first page, and got frustrated with all the BS answers, so I didn't read the whole thread. Apologies if someone has actually given this info already.

First, learn how to drop a bomb. Uncloak, launch torpedoes first and wait for them to leave your ship. As soon as you see the torps fly from your ship, launch the bomb. This will prevent the bomb from destroying your torps.

A note on range: you want to engage from 30 km. Bombs travel for 30 km then detonate when launched, and have a 15 km blast radius. So you also need a torp range of at least 30 km.

You want to move into position before the bomb run. Move so that your target is directly inline with a celestial or customs office. The idea is to launch a volley of torps, launch the bomb, then GTFO (unless there are only industrials) because your ship is made of wet tissue paper. Don't make the mistake of MWD-ing towards the bomb, or you will kill yourself.

Don't try to bomb anything smaller than a battlecruiser, and if you see a Dominix just run away and don't bother trying.

A Manticore can be setup to snipe with T2 Javelin torpedoes at well over 100 km, but it takes forever for the torps to hit. This is fine for ratting battleships.
OilSlick Rick
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-10-06 19:47:34 UTC
Metal Icarus wrote:
Manticore tactics? Let me open my book of 100% certified nullsec tactics. All of this is from personal experience.

Even if you attack a hulk it is still possible to be killed by the drones if the guy has good drone skills. (Very possible in null) If you are going to solo in null, camp a bubble with a bomber and make sure that u make a bombing run that is on grid.

YOU CAN WARP THROUGH BUBBLES. (When in close proximity)

even if you put a target damp on your target and he can't target you, HIS DRONES STILL CAN

Your bomb will STILL DO DAMAGE IF YOU WARP OFF AFTER LAUNCHING (even off grid, and you wont recieve notice in your logs)

Regional gates are f-in HUGE (this sucks to camp without bookmarks with a sb)

hint: Make a drag bubble and bomb UNATTENTIVE targets that are MWD'ing back to gate, make the bombing run to intercept their path.

Try to fit agility rigs to help the bombing runs. If you are torping, your target should be HELPLESS (if you bomb a hulk and destroy his drones with the bomb) or you WILL DIE.

never engage a frigate/destroyer with torps (you will die for sure if they have guns equpped)

Last final rule that should NEVER BE BROKEN lest ye want to die: NEVER LAUNCH A BOMB and TURN AROUND to warp off.



There need to be qualifiers on this.

It is perfectly ok to launch a bomb and turn around to warp depending on your target and your EWAR. If you have sensor damps on and you are bombing a miner/hauler, there is probably no reason to even warp away.

Fitting a medium shield extender and pulsing a faction/officer mwd can help outrun some drones, both pilots' skills depending.

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