EVE General Discussion

Very well said. Like i told Ban Bindy, the whole "eve is a game" thing is a dodge, along the lines of the whole "didn't want that ship anyways" when someone tries to mask their upset at their pixels exploding :) .

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Stop right there.

What game dynamics changed (for miners)?
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Becoming a target for every ganker in game, all the time ?

Anyway again its a game not RL so no strong or weak, just enjoying or not enjoying. My friend has a brother who is as I type this going through open heart surgery, then we can talk about strong or weak, but not in "game".


Tal

Your sense of self entitlement about judging people is bigger than miners' and it's not a small feat.

EvE for you might be a life defining, most paramount important value, where you measure your mettle against whoever (the gimps of course).

For everybody else, this is a GAME, a pass time, one of many. Not even the best of them.

They don't have to demonstrate YOU how good or survivalist or adaptable they are. They do it all their life by managing their job, their family, their business. Not some pixel based bullsh1t.

If they log in 10 minutes to relax, then guess what, they are not in the "I will measure who has the best e-hard on" mood.

Therefore their decision to stop one of the secondary hobbies and switch to i.e. building airplane models or crafting plywood figurines is none of your business. It's none of your right to judge on WTF everybody else do with their paid time.

Lol why anyone would have to justify to you why they join or quit EvE "or else they are weak". Get a grip.


Also - and this is truly ridicolous if it was not sad - for 1 miner who created a thread to cry, there are 10 threads of self-promoted badasses schooling an absent audience. No one gives a crap about those who can't tank an Hulk - not even the other miners - except you who for some reason feel this irresistible need to teach everybody else how to be a Strong Man.

So much wrong here.

But i'll adress one simple point. They made it my right to judge them in public by complaining in public. If a person simply quits the game or quits mining over the ganking but remains silent, I still have a negative opinion of them, but won't go out of my way to say it.

But these guys are doing it on the forums. Thus my suggestion to take a page from mission runners (who gave up some isk making ability by taking off the officer mods lol).

In my country (I'm American), some people like to throw up the whole "I have a right to free speech" thing when you say something against them. That's true,YOU do, so do I.

I'm not ccp, I can't force them to stop complaining, but by complaining without trying to adapt 1st, they consent to me and others calling them names like "weak" lol, just like how undocking in eve is consenting to pvp.........

Boll*cks


and it hasn't always existed


Tal

Since the OP (who I suspect by the posting style is one of the Ferguson alts) has made this exclusively about miners, I'll wade in with a comment or two.

For a gamer there are three modes of play. Easy, challenging and just ******* stupid.

Example: Diablo 3. Normal mode is easy, the next two are a challenge and Inferno mode (irony) is the most insanely impossible pile of **** ever designed to be called a game. And unlike an MMO, when you group in D3 it gets harder, not easier.

So it goes in EVE for the miners.

Mining in the ships designed for it has become near imposable. You can't tank an alpha strike from a dedicated gank ship, so what's the point of tanking. You can't not tank or you are the laughing stock of the elites in GD. You can't relax for a second of the mind numbing ice mining cycle or risk losing everything you just made in the last hour (or however long it takes to fill a hold).

In other words, there is nothing remotely fun about it. Miners have been designed by CCP to be the victim class. They have always been easy kills and if the trend that I see continues, even easier to kill as time goes on.

Now, some people like the idea of mining vOv

But what they don't like is having a target painted on their ship. A ship designed from scratch to be an easy and expensive kill for small minded morons that will then continue paying each month as its so much fun killing hulks with disposable alts. So what happens with people who like to mine and play a social game.? They try it, hate it. Maybe ask in the forums why it's so stupid , and then go find something fun to do.

Can you really blame them?

Well yes, actually. You bunch can. Blame the victim is the dogmatic response to any questioning of gank mechanics here. I'm not judging the mechanic, by the way, I'm questioning the implementation of it.

So let let me reiterate. The strong are the ones that say "**** you, CCP. I'm spending my money somewhere else". The weak are the risk averse gankers that don't want their fish to leave the barrel and try to insult them into staying.

Mr Epeen

And here was I thinking it was just a game

please point out the patch notes for the patch that introduced suicide ganking, thanks.

Simple matter - if someone do not like the game he can qiut in any time - but also has right to complain about it, or whatever. And if you do not like someones post - don't read it.

That's a strawman argument, I don't know why people wanted to inject RL into the idea.

Also, this is a multiplayer game, in such a game you have to adapt to the actions of others. It's not enough to say "I'm having fun doing this", someone can always come in and make you not have fun, and that is how it should be in a sandbox game imo.

I know some play for escape, I play for challenge. A pvp-centric sandbox is a bad choice for such an escape mechanism, single play pvp games are a better choice. That players made the wrong choice by coming to eve is not CCPs fault.