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Balances to Hybrids?! Hoooah!

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Albetta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-06 01:23:17 UTC
CCP, my view of you has done a 180. Since this news follows on the coattails of the return of ship spinning and more captains quarters(although those should have been in the original release to begin with!), i can only say that I am pleasantly surprised. New features are great, and keep the game from stagnating, but every once in a while core improvement is necessary, and I am glad you have chosen this route for the winter release.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-10-06 01:50:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ladie Harlot
It's good that hybrids are finally getting balanced. Seeing gallente blaster boats shooting exhumers with impunity is proof that they are overpowered.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-10-06 02:38:41 UTC
And thus the balancing cycle comes full circle.

"Time flows like a river, and history repeats itself".
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#4 - 2011-10-06 02:43:27 UTC
Incoming FOTM or actual balance?

                      "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-10-06 02:55:32 UTC
Hopefully CCP listens to some of the threads on this subject and realizes that it's not only hybrids per se but also the way blasterboats function that has become a problem.
Phizban
The Needs Of The Few
#6 - 2011-10-06 02:58:32 UTC
Yes! I knew it would eventually roll around... Gallente FTW!

Woot!
Mirima Thurander
#7 - 2011-10-06 03:07:27 UTC
and this is why i trained gal weapons and ships THEN train mini


SO



bring on the op rails

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-10-06 03:35:03 UTC
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Incoming FOTM or actual balance?


True balance is homogenous and makes for an incredibly boring game. Even the "rock paper scissors" style of balance is quite boring when you get right down to it.
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-10-06 03:57:39 UTC
Hybrids will be redesigned to function more like pulse lasers. So, they will use more cap and have higher fitting requirements.
It's difficult for hybrid ships to get in range, so all will receive a 200% increase in default velocity, yet to balance this they will warp 100% slower.
Finally, all capacitors on hybrid ships will be removed, so they cannot be neuted any more.
Nandy Cocytus
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-10-06 04:23:05 UTC
Taedrin wrote:
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Incoming FOTM or actual balance?


True balance is homogenous and makes for an incredibly boring game. Even the "rock paper scissors" style of balance is quite boring when you get right down to it.



I don't know about that. Starcraft had exactly that kind of balance. Still does. It tends to keep things interesting, namely insofar as how a pilot can break that system.

So it goes.
Goose99
#11 - 2011-10-06 04:28:33 UTC
Nandy Cocytus wrote:
Taedrin wrote:
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Incoming FOTM or actual balance?


True balance is homogenous and makes for an incredibly boring game. Even the "rock paper scissors" style of balance is quite boring when you get right down to it.



I don't know about that. Starcraft had exactly that kind of balance. Still does. It tends to keep things interesting, namely insofar as how a pilot can break that system.


It's not "that kind of balancing," just balancing. When nothing is at the top, it's balanced. What we have in Eve is simply called "unbalanced."
Nandy Cocytus
Doomheim
#12 - 2011-10-06 04:37:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Nandy Cocytus
Goose99 wrote:
Nandy Cocytus wrote:
Taedrin wrote:
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Incoming FOTM or actual balance?


True balance is homogenous and makes for an incredibly boring game. Even the "rock paper scissors" style of balance is quite boring when you get right down to it.



I don't know about that. Starcraft had exactly that kind of balance. Still does. It tends to keep things interesting, namely insofar as how a pilot can break that system.


It's not "that kind of balancing," just balancing. When nothing is at the top, it's balanced. What we have in Eve is simply called "unbalanced."


He wins

So it goes.
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-10-06 05:06:56 UTC
Well the idea in starcraft is that every player ought to have an equal opportunity to win independant on which race they pick.

But when it comes to Eve I would guess that most of us dont want that every race have an equal ability to handle any given situation. Each race should excell in their own specific area. For example: Gallente should have the highest close ranged dps, amarr should have the meanest tanks etc etc. That's not imbalance, it's diversity.
Ejit
STD contractors
#14 - 2011-10-06 05:16:12 UTC
Albetta wrote:
more captains quarters(although those should have been in the original release to begin with!).


They shouldn't have been released at all.

At least not for another 12, 18 months or so!!!
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-10-06 06:04:42 UTC
Cpt Fina wrote:
Well the idea in starcraft is that every player ought to have an equal opportunity to win independant on which race they pick.

But when it comes to Eve I would guess that most of us dont want that every race have an equal ability to handle any given situation. Each race should excell in their own specific area. For example: Gallente should have the highest close ranged dps, amarr should have the meanest tanks etc etc. That's not imbalance, it's diversity.


The problem with diversity is that everybody goes for the same diversity leaving no diversity! That's why I fly all races, so I'm prepared for incoming FOTM

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-10-06 10:03:21 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
The problem with diversity is that everybody goes for the same diversity leaving no diversity! That's why I fly all races, so I'm prepared for incoming FOTM

Me too, im more of an equal opportunities pilot, ill fly anything.

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-10-06 10:44:29 UTC
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Incoming FOTM or actual balance?


Even if it achieve actual balance, human psychology is going to exagerate it out of proportions and it will be FOTM anyway.
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#18 - 2011-10-06 11:00:56 UTC
Cpt Fina wrote:
Hopefully CCP listens to some of the threads on this subject and realizes that it's not only hybrids per se but also the way blasterboats function that has become a problem.

Indeed, let's wait and see first how they envisage making hybrids "balanced" while it's not always the weapon platform itself that's causing the problems.
Holy One
Privat Party
#19 - 2011-10-06 11:54:42 UTC
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Incoming FOTM or actual balance?


FOTM for sure. No mention of balancing generally, or specifically balancing gallente and other races tech 1.

:)
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#20 - 2011-10-06 12:21:19 UTC
CCP Zulu wrote:
The main goal will be to extend the optimal range, tracking and damage on blasters whilst decreasing cap usage, fitting and reload time.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com
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