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Serena Serene
Heretic University
#21 - 2012-06-11 21:21:57 UTC
Cetaphil Thrace wrote:
Thats awesome, i can only imagine the excitement, but my question, i may be wrong but should concord have come and shot them for shooting at you?


Not after I stole from them :)
Cetaphil Thrace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-06-11 21:23:42 UTC
Ah ok thx alot.
Serena Serene
Heretic University
#23 - 2012-06-11 23:24:36 UTC
Small update, as promised, but not a glorious one:

Today I chickened out, I have to admit :(

I looted some items in a mission run by someone in a Megathron Navy Issue. As he finished the first part, instead of using the accellerator gate, he suddenly shot at me. I got out with a few scratches and hurried back two jumps to my "base" .. where I had a brand new Incursus.

But instead of getting into it and get back at that meanie.. I chickened out. I told myself I couldn't kill such a big ship with my frigate anyway.
As I got angry at myself for being such a chicken, it was too late already, so I flew back in my Imicus to the mission, looking whether there was more stuff to grab or whether that guy would shoot at me again, determined to at least try the next time, screw dying or being ridiculous because of not having enough damage.
It's all experience, right?

.. well, hindsight *sighs*

Anyway. The mission was discontinued, I barely could warp out from the next area before the NPCs killed me. Just as I docked up into a nearby station to rest and think a bit, I saw the person who ran the mission before undocking in something called "Daredevil", which is supposed to be a nasty evil little bastard, from my research.

So, bottom line: I probably avoided being killed by being a chicken, but I'm ashamed. I am determined to get out there the next time and book it under "gaining experience".
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#24 - 2012-06-12 00:44:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Daemon Ceed
Serena Serene wrote:
Small update, as promised, but not a glorious one:

Today I chickened out, I have to admit :(

I looted some items in a mission run by someone in a Megathron Navy Issue. As he finished the first part, instead of using the accellerator gate, he suddenly shot at me. I got out with a few scratches and hurried back two jumps to my "base" .. where I had a brand new Incursus.

But instead of getting into it and get back at that meanie.. I chickened out. I told myself I couldn't kill such a big ship with my frigate anyway.
As I got angry at myself for being such a chicken, it was too late already, so I flew back in my Imicus to the mission, looking whether there was more stuff to grab or whether that guy would shoot at me again, determined to at least try the next time, screw dying or being ridiculous because of not having enough damage.
It's all experience, right?

.. well, hindsight *sighs*

Anyway. The mission was discontinued, I barely could warp out from the next area before the NPCs killed me. Just as I docked up into a nearby station to rest and think a bit, I saw the person who ran the mission before undocking in something called "Daredevil", which is supposed to be a nasty evil little bastard, from my research.

So, bottom line: I probably avoided being killed by being a chicken, but I'm ashamed. I am determined to get out there the next time and book it under "gaining experience".


In an Incursus, you may have had troubles. Most likely the Mega was permatanked and the best you could hope for was that he wasn't and had a cap instability where he'd eventually run out and would die a glorious death. This, my friend, is when you would've loved to have a Catalyst with T2 blasters. With good skills and maybe a cheap hybrid damage implant, you could've dealt in the upwards of 700dps on his fat, slothlike, carebear rear-end and probably killed him. Here's the trick...

Smaller ships can easily "speed tank" larger ones. The vital part is getting onto them fast, like within 500m, keeping a tight orbit, and flying as fast around them as possible. I'd probably recommend and AB for this since it'll reduce your ships signature radius. Whatever you do, don't approach them head on. Fly towards them at an angle and then get into a very tight orbit. Then scram and start hammering them with your AB on. Kill their drones first if they launch them at you. This is very important. As you probably know, Gallente ships have very large drone bays. Kill their drones and a BS won't be able to hit you at that close of range and at the speed you'll be flying at.

My buddy flies frigs and destroyers exclusively, mostly the Wolf. He kills BC's and BS's all the time. It takes a bit of piloting finesse, but see if you have a friend you can practice on or just do it on the test server (SiSi) until you perfect it. May you be blessed with many carebear kills and/or fat ransoms.

And yes, Daredevil's are definitely evil little bloody ships. It used to be that the Dramiel was the most badass of all the frigs, but since it got nerfed and hybrids got a nice boost...the Daredevil really leads the pack as far as frigates are concerned.
Serena Serene
Heretic University
#25 - 2012-06-12 01:02:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Serena Serene
Thank you for your tips.
I see that the approach is probably the most difficult part for surviving in the scenario you described. I really need to get out there and practice this.
I'll look into the catalyst, too. A destroyer has the advantage over cruisers that I don't have to train medium weapons, so maybe that's an early alternative for a ship with some punch.
Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
#26 - 2012-06-12 01:22:09 UTC
You are a great person, keep it up.

The vexor is a great ship to use against mission runners, drones being able to do all 4 damage types.

Here's a tip, pay attention to the rats/wrecks in the mission you're stealing from. Know the missions these guys are running, then if you're shot at you can come back with drones that will deal damage to the lowest resists in the MR's tank. Makes killing them even easier.

If you see serpentis rats, use minmatar drones on armor tank ships and amarr for shield tankers. Angel rats, use gallente on both.
Serena Serene
Heretic University
#27 - 2012-06-12 07:17:33 UTC
Thank you, too.
I'll look into the Vexor a little more then, too. And brush up on my drone-related skills if I find the time. :)
Aliaksandre
Screaming Hayabusa
#28 - 2012-06-12 13:53:35 UTC
Awesome stuff, you "get" EVE :)

You can also salvage the wrecks, and this is not considered "illegal" and will not make you red to those you steal from. I know nothing about making money off ninjaing, so no clue how profitable this could be vs. taking loot, but it is another way to get extra cash.

I hope you will one day make your way from ninja to pirate P

Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
#29 - 2012-06-12 16:00:34 UTC
I can't remember any other ninja videos on YT, but search/watch Paul Clavet's vids. A bit dated, few years old.. but the basics haven't changed.
Serena Serene
Heretic University
#30 - 2012-06-12 16:43:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Serena Serene
Small update: I am too nice.

I warped into a mission and found some wrecks to loot. Which I did. Not many, and the mission runners destroyed them for some reason, but I got the valuable items before that.

There was one container floating around, though, with an item called "gate key". I thought that was something they needed to advance with the mission, so I asked them if they needed it.
They answered by shooting the container, then activating the accelleration gate. And I couldn't follow.

Well, that'll teach me, I guess, hehe.


Also thanks a lot for all the helpful hints and tips!
I'll be sure to watch the mentioned videos soon.

Edit: Oh yes. I read about a trick about scanning, involving the directional scanner to narrow down the distance in which the ships I am looking for are. But I guess everybody but me knew about that already, hehe. Was helpful so far.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#31 - 2012-06-12 17:16:53 UTC
Possum's Awesome wrote:
You are a great person, keep it up.

The vexor is a great ship to use against mission runners, drones being able to do all 4 damage types.

Here's a tip, pay attention to the rats/wrecks in the mission you're stealing from. Know the missions these guys are running, then if you're shot at you can come back with drones that will deal damage to the lowest resists in the MR's tank. Makes killing them even easier.

If you see serpentis rats, use minmatar drones on armor tank ships and amarr for shield tankers. Angel rats, use gallente on both.


Eh...Amarr drones blow goat balls. Terrible DPS, just utter crap.
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-06-12 17:19:58 UTC
It sounds to me like you need a battle Iteron.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6so9AT4UydQ
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#33 - 2012-06-12 18:34:09 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
It sounds to me like you need a battle Iteron.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6so9AT4UydQ


Battle Iteron ftw! \o/

Just like the Spanish Inquisition, nobody expects the Battle Iteron!
Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
#34 - 2012-06-12 18:58:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Possum's Awesome
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Possum's Awesome wrote:
You are a great person, keep it up.

The vexor is a great ship to use against mission runners, drones being able to do all 4 damage types.

Here's a tip, pay attention to the rats/wrecks in the mission you're stealing from. Know the missions these guys are running, then if you're shot at you can come back with drones that will deal damage to the lowest resists in the MR's tank. Makes killing them even easier.

If you see serpentis rats, use minmatar drones on armor tank ships and amarr for shield tankers. Angel rats, use gallente on both.


Eh...Amarr drones blow goat balls. Terrible DPS, just utter crap.


I agree in general, but a shield tank in a Serpentis or Angels mission may have no EM resists at all. This will give amarr drones far more damage on target than any other drone type, especially with it having the second best tracking speed.


It is, of course, situational. No matter what mission, amarr drones would be silly vs any minmatar t2/Loki.



To OP: Another suggestion would be a missile boat. My buddy Paul got started by popping a mission Typhoon (Drucore ♥) with a very badly skilled Caracal, using the right missile damage to hit the phoon's resist hole.
Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#35 - 2012-06-13 00:27:21 UTC
Possum's Awesome wrote:
I agree in general, but a shield tank in a Serpentis or Angels mission may have no EM resists at all. This will give amarr drones far more damage on target than any other drone type, especially with it having the second best tracking speed.
Only against a shield tank in a Serpentis or other kin/therm mission. Thermal drones have about twice the firepower of EM ones.

Post with your monkey.

Thread locked due to lack of pants.

Possum's Awesome
Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo
#36 - 2012-06-13 01:23:46 UTC
Grumpymunky wrote:
Possum's Awesome wrote:
I agree in general, but a shield tank in a Serpentis or Angels mission may have no EM resists at all. This will give amarr drones far more damage on target than any other drone type, especially with it having the second best tracking speed.
Only against a shield tank in a Serpentis or other kin/therm mission. Thermal drones have about twice the firepower of EM ones.


You're right. I forgot about the resistance bonus on some caldari ships. That would negate the amarr drones.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#37 - 2012-06-13 02:43:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Mike Adoulin
Aliaksandre wrote:


You can also salvage the wrecks, and this is not considered "illegal" and will not make you red to those you steal from. I know nothing about making money off ninjaing, so no clue how profitable this could be vs. taking loot, but it is another way to get extra cash.






QFT.


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Catalyst

Basically shows you the classic salvager fit for the Catalyst.

Personally, I do fine without the signal booster and fit another cargo extender, but YMMV.

You'll quickly find that the salvage is often worth more than the loot.

Plus, if you still want to ninja loot, after you salvage the cans are just floating there, waiting for you to take a peek.

I'm kinda surprised the mission runnners are even paying attention to you; with the huge payouts from the mission and the rat bounties most runners I know don't bother to loot or salvage.

And yeah, fit another Catalyst for popping BC's/BB's....afterburner....8 small blasters with antimatter loaded up...and and a scram.

Good hunting..:)

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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Serena Serene
Heretic University
#38 - 2012-06-13 04:59:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Serena Serene
Mike Adoulin wrote:

[...]
I'm kinda surprised the mission runnners are even paying attention to you; with the huge payouts from the mission and the rat bounties most runners I know don't bother to loot or salvage.

And yeah, fit another Catalyst for popping BC's/BB's....afterburner....8 small blasters with antimatter loaded up...and and a scram.
[...]


I haven't done this too often so far.. a little over ten times maybe. During these times I met one really friendly mission runner, who first was suspicious I'd try anything funny with his drones or so, to make them attack me.
(I was only trying to help him out by webbing frigates and cruisers he was fighting when I had the time. As I said, I am too nice, and as I was told it didn't help anyway)

Then a friendly conversation came up about how he didn't want to loot anyway and I could have just asked, others in local chiming in, talking about how evil ninjas baited them once and so on. It was interesting, if somewhat misinformed (one of them said my whole newbie corp could shoot at them if they took a shot at me after I stole loot), and always friendly.

Of all the other times I was ignored roughly half of the time, the other half I was shot at at some point.

And yes: I am at the moment in the process of skilling up the destroyer skill and hope someone will fill my buy order for a catalyst in time so I won't have to buy it from a sell order, saving 100k isk (stingy I am :x)


About the salvaging: Good to know it doesn't flag me. I currently don't have skills for it, but maybe worth a look. If it doesn't flag me it kinda seems to take half of the fun out of it, though. Well, I'll see.

Edit: The discussion about the drones above was very interesting!
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-06-13 09:26:43 UTC
This thread inspired me to try this path, at least for a while. So thanks, i guess. Was looking for something new to try, anyways.

Things i learned yesterday: I need better scanning skills, i couldn't scan down ships if my life depended on it. Not sure if this is purely a problem with the skills of my character or also of my personal skills with probes. Probably both. Am now getting Astrometrics to IV, followed by Pinpointing and Rangefinding to III, before i try again.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.

Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#40 - 2012-06-13 09:33:06 UTC
Serena Serene wrote:



About the salvaging: Good to know it doesn't flag me. I currently don't have skills for it, but maybe worth a look. If it doesn't flag me it kinda seems to take half of the fun out of it, though. Well, I'll see.

Edit: The discussion about the drones above was very interesting!


Decent enough salvaging skills shouldn't take you anymore than a day for both the Salvager I and Rigs, I think. Well worth it, imho. If you're going out hardcore mode you might be able to pull about 25mil/hr or more easy. But your right, most bears don't loot or salvage...which always makes me wonder why they get so mad when you ninja them. I kinda like seeing them throw a hissy and at least waste ammo shooting wrecks rather than me ;)

BTW - there's no obligation to be nice to carebears. They aren't really people and have no true joy in their heart.