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CSM 7 Spring Summit Review - Parts I & II

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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#1 - 2012-06-12 14:47:42 UTC
For those of you interested in the doings of the CSM, I've thrown together a pair of lengthy blogs detailing what I can about our recent visit to Iceland. We are currently working on the official minutes and are hoping to have them done and ready for release by the end of the month. Once we have a firm release date in sight, I will announce a date for our second 'Town Hall' meeting so the community can ask us a bit more about the summit and whatever else is on your minds. In the meantime this pair of blogs should hopefully answer some questions while we work on the more detailed stuff:

Part I

Part II

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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#2 - 2012-06-12 15:06:26 UTC
Appreciated, thank you Seleene o7

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-06-12 15:15:38 UTC
Thanks for posting this.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#4 - 2012-06-12 15:18:04 UTC
while we appreciate your enthusiasm, the CSM is about as useful as boobs on the pope
Vincent Morxsus
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-06-12 15:24:58 UTC
Thanks for the post. This made me very pleased "We saw several finished V3 versions of the Minmatar ships which should be out soon", autocannons and the new rifter, I am a happy chap.
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#6 - 2012-06-12 15:29:26 UTC
Morganta wrote:
while we appreciate your enthusiasm, the CSM is about as useful as boobs on the pope


I am much prettier than you.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#7 - 2012-06-12 15:30:24 UTC
Seleene wrote:
Morganta wrote:
while we appreciate your enthusiasm, the CSM is about as useful as boobs on the pope


I am much prettier than you.


must be those free trips to Iceland
Andrea Griffin
#8 - 2012-06-12 15:45:30 UTC
I sense bitter, jealous resentment.

Thank you for your efforts Seleene. This seems to be one of the best and most productive CSMs in a while. ♥

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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-06-12 15:58:35 UTC
Very good read, waiting for the minutes now.

Also hope the new outfits are released soon, they were darn smexy on Sisi
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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#10 - 2012-06-12 16:02:39 UTC
...and the State of Incarna...? Read it and all I got from what you wrote was - nothing. So seriously, what is the "state of Incarna"?
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#11 - 2012-06-12 16:03:39 UTC
Andrea Griffin wrote:
I sense bitter, jealous resentment.

Thank you for your efforts Seleene. This seems to be one of the best and most productive CSMs in a while. ♥


don't confuse my disdain for useless expenditures with bitterness.
I read the blog and there was nothing in there that requires a group of "chosen ones" to relay to the customer base.

The CSM has become a joke, and a bad one at that.
I love that you want to be a part of something important, but the sad fact is you're paid patsies, a puppet government used for PR, you get wined and dined and sit around watching CCP work and then relay less information (due to NDAs and other legal poop) than the average Dev puts in a blog post.

you are bloat, plain and simple.
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#12 - 2012-06-12 16:06:47 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
...and the State of Incarna...? Read it and all I got from what you wrote was - nothing. So seriously, what is the "state of Incarna"?


CCP Unifex should be putting out a blog in the next couple weeks about some of the stuff we discussed. Part of our meeting on Incarna was about what would or wouldn't be a good idea and how to best present it all. This is progress considering last year's train wreck.

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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#13 - 2012-06-12 16:08:03 UTC
Morganta wrote:
the sad fact is you're paid patsies


We get paid?

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HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-06-12 16:08:05 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Andrea Griffin wrote:
I sense bitter, jealous resentment.

Thank you for your efforts Seleene. This seems to be one of the best and most productive CSMs in a while. ♥


don't confuse my disdain for useless expenditures with bitterness.
I read the blog and there was nothing in there that requires a group of "chosen ones" to relay to the customer base.

The CSM has become a joke, and a bad one at that.
I love that you want to be a part of something important, but the sad fact is you're paid patsies, a puppet government used for PR, you get wined and dined and sit around watching CCP work and then relay less information (due to NDAs and other legal poop) than the average Dev puts in a blog post.

you are bloat, plain and simple.


the only thing bloated was your poorly thought out post

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AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#15 - 2012-06-12 16:13:10 UTC  |  Edited by: AFK Hauler
Thank you for this update.

Will edit later if I need to add some useless comment after reviewing the material.


Edit1:
Part 1 wrote:
The overriding theme of these discussions was that CCP does not want to half-ass anything. They very much want to take each problem and solve it properly and completely. That does not mean they are going to let 'broken' things sit completely untouched but they do want to make sure any large scale changes are done properly and with plenty of community feedback beforehand.

Not sure if CCP is serious abut this one. The UI should have not been released with such poor testing.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#16 - 2012-06-12 16:13:25 UTC
Seleene wrote:
Morganta wrote:
the sad fact is you're paid patsies


We get paid?


do you pay your own expenses?
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#17 - 2012-06-12 16:27:32 UTC
Reading this did not inspire confidence on the front of my Incarna brothels in the near future...

Nor did I see anything about PI....

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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-06-12 16:52:31 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Andrea Griffin wrote:
I sense bitter, jealous resentment.

Thank you for your efforts Seleene. This seems to be one of the best and most productive CSMs in a while. ♥


don't confuse my disdain for useless expenditures with bitterness.
I read the blog and there was nothing in there that requires a group of "chosen ones" to relay to the customer base.

The CSM has become a joke, and a bad one at that.
I love that you want to be a part of something important, but the sad fact is you're paid patsies, a puppet government used for PR, you get wined and dined and sit around watching CCP work and then relay less information (due to NDAs and other legal poop) than the average Dev puts in a blog post.

you are bloat, plain and simple.



The truth is somewhere in the middle, while CSM most definitely is an investment from CCP with an expected return profit they (CSM) are also gaining vital information on how CCP works. The players elected them, and the CSM state what their opinions are, and reflect to the community what they can. Naturally there is a pressure on the CSM to act civil and to be "diplomatic", but they are also able to state the hard facts to CCP.

The CSM however is not what some people seem to think they are, a direct link between the players and the actions of CCP. CCP appreciates the input (otherwise they do not have a business, which was a hard learned, but still learned lesson). The influence over CCP decisions is overstated but still present. I think that when the community says "NO" with a loud and united voice they (CCP) have to listen.

The individual or smaller groups of individuals however have no bearing on anything, even if they voted. Just like in real life politics.

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Logan LaMort
Screaming Hayabusa
#19 - 2012-06-12 16:55:13 UTC
Awesome, reading now Smile
Bossy Lady
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#20 - 2012-06-12 16:56:01 UTC
Seleene wrote:
For those of you interested in the doings of the CSM, I've thrown together a pair of lengthy blogs detailing what I can about our recent visit to Iceland. We are currently working on the official minutes and are hoping to have them done and ready for release by the end of the month. Once we have a firm release date in sight, I will announce a date for our second 'Town Hall' meeting so the community can ask us a bit more about the summit and whatever else is on your minds. In the meantime this pair of blogs should hopefully answer some questions while we work on the more detailed stuff:

Part I

Part II




Nice write ups.

Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M.
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