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What are frigates good for? How can they be made relevant in Eve?
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Dave Stark
#41 - 2012-06-11 04:55:23 UTC
small ships are amazing, i'm a huge fan of frigates.

every time your ship gets popped, you learn some thing. frigates are small cheap and disposable, in terms of burning isk to learn things frigates are definitely the way to go.

not to mention the fact that being innately fast and agile can get you out of so many tight spots it's amazing. i doubt i'll ever fly any thing larger than a destroyer unless it's needed for a specific situation because smaller ships are just so much fun to fly.
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2012-06-11 13:44:43 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:
Klown Walk wrote:
Maybe people use them because it´s fun to use a frigate?

I think that it is fun to win.

Otherwise, why not pvp in a shuttle? The dps is about the same, but the cost is much less.


Actually, if you do the math, a frig does roughly infinity times more damage than a shuttle.

That's a pretty big increase.
Kamden Line
Sovereign Citizen and other Tax Evasion Schemes
#43 - 2012-06-11 19:49:25 UTC
X up for Sabre tackle fleet.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#44 - 2012-06-12 04:26:19 UTC
So bombers are no longer relevant? There are a lot of people in game that would disagree with you, myself included.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-06-12 15:12:32 UTC
OP's right, frigates are total crap. My corp specifically bans their use in fleets, we just have no use for them whatsoever. Roll
Alara IonStorm
#46 - 2012-06-12 15:15:11 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:
OP's right, frigates are total crap. My corp specifically bans their use in fleets, we just have no use for them whatsoever. Roll

I trust this mans analysis.
that beast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-06-12 17:18:43 UTC
Huh...

In that case... Guess I'd better get rid of all these wolves, because they can't take out cruisers... I heard they just get scrammed and webbed and screwed over... by a cruiser with dual sebos? How many mids does he have exactly? Also negating the fact that my "useless" AF can hit harder than a cruiser (in applied) and well outside of web range.
In fact, even with autocannons and decent skills you'll hit out to about 24km. Of course you won't do fantastic DPS but enough to take out the ****fit cruiser that wants to take you on... And then we get to the arty fits... Now you're really buggered.

OP also said at one point that no frigates were useful against cruisers except SB? I'm sorry but the absolute HP of an SB probably doesn't break 1000, and as long as that cruiser is moving, an SB isn't even going to get through shields before the pilot finds himself back in station.

So many people are here saying that they like Frigates and find them useful... I don't think there was a single answer which said, seriously, that they were useless and that the poster agreed with you. Surely that should be enough to show you you're quite wrong?

Awaiting to see your pod next to the wreck that I shall be looting

TB
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#48 - 2012-06-12 17:21:34 UTC  |  Edited by: MisterNick
Frigates are good for screaming around the field knowing you could be dead in mere moments, holding on to bigger ships for fleetmates, or indeed just to shoot at yourself. If you go boom, you barely register it as frigates cost next to nothing.

In other words, they're fun. EVE's a game - they're meant to be fun Blink

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom."
Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-06-12 19:08:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Andy Landen
Soldarius wrote:
So bombers are no longer relevant? There are a lot of people in game that would disagree with you, myself included.

What happens when you don't read and don't think, and then post from pure gut feeling from reading only the one line of the title? .. Lots of posts like the one above which make you raise your eyebrows and scratch your head wondering which thread the poster just finished reading before accidentally posting their response to it in here. For the record, we all know about roles and about prices and about how bigger ships have more ehp and dps, and how frigates can be awesome against them anyways if it is one on one in the right situation and fittings, etc, etc.

This isn't a thread about which class is better or about which class is funner, etc. It is only about which class is neglected and if so, why and what may need to be fixed. For instance, low sec guns insta-popping a frigate .. Seems like they should have tracking to deal with .. stuff like that.

Edit: Case in point below -V

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein 
Dischordant
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-06-12 19:30:02 UTC
Let's see, I've downed well fit Cruisers solo in t1 frigates, but frigates are useless eh? Tell that to the Talos I had in deep armor with my rifter a while back (who had a friend come bail him out).

They're utterly useless, espcially for those new players who can't fly bigger. It's not like they can tackle bigger ships in a gang like that either, eh?



Seriously though, they've got their strengths and weaknesses, and I think they're in a pretty good place right now.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#51 - 2012-06-12 19:31:15 UTC
Dischordant wrote:
Let's see, I've downed well fit Cruisers solo in t1 frigates, but frigates are useless eh? Tell that to the Talos I had in deep armor with my rifter a while back (who had a friend come bail him out).

Bah, my Malediction had a Loki in deep armor once, and he had to bring in a Legion to save him from the most embarassing lossmail of his life.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-06-12 19:33:56 UTC
Andy Landen wrote:
Anyone who suggests that flying an officer-fitted faction battleship in pvp/fw is a moron, and a detraction from a thread about making frigates relevant and a natural choice over a cruiser in some situations.

Anyone who cites that frigates are used in null sec is noting the exceptions which I already mentioned: intie, cov ops, and sb, etc. I am talking about the rest of the frigates.

And if a frigate is chosen because the pilot cannot afford 4 mil ISK for the cruiser hull, then that pilot has other problems.


Theres too damn much irony in this reply of yours, I could spend hours typing alot of words explaining why and how stupid you are, but instead, Ill ask you to unsub, youre worthless to EVE.

100 man battleship fleet incomming? Hah! They can be harrassed so easily.
100 man frigate fleet incoming? **** THEY CAN BE 20 SYSTEMS AHEAD BEFORE INTEL CATCHES UP AND NOTHING CAN ESCAPE THE *******! SHIIIT!

Need I say more?
Hemmo Paskiainen
#53 - 2012-06-12 21:00:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Hemmo Paskiainen
a frigat gives more thrill, more exitement and more adrinaline

adrinaline junkies fly frigats or sabres

in matter of fact, i rather fly frigats than battleships

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Dalts
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#54 - 2012-06-12 23:06:34 UTC
Got to say Op, this is a definite 9/10 troll, got to be a troll and its got many hook line and sinker...

9/10 because to get the full 10 it would have needed mention of 'because of Falcon' to go with Titans and Winmatar getting honourable mentions in the replies elicited.
Alara IonStorm
#55 - 2012-06-12 23:19:41 UTC
No explanation to my post given at current time or possibly ever.

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Andy Landen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-06-13 00:43:36 UTC
Dalts wrote:
Got to say Op, this is a definite 9/10 troll, got to be a troll and its got many hook line and sinker...

9/10 because to get the full 10 it would have needed mention of 'because of Falcon' to go with Titans and Winmatar getting honourable mentions in the replies elicited.

Seriously, I am not trolling, except where I was. And I do not fly frigates, except those that I do fly. And I am not saying that carriers are better than frigates, except where they pop them so easy. Or that frigates are better than carriers, except where they stay out of range, keep point, and switch off tackle with warp outs as needed. I just want to tank gate guns in low sec with my T1 frigates. And I want to see 30% ECM bonus to the kitsune plus 1-2 more medium slots, and covert ops cloaks for all T2 frigates. And still, no trolling here. It is the other guys .. not me. serious .. really.

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein 
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