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New dev blog: EVE updating - Winter expansion 2011

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ViperLok
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#321 - 2011-10-06 09:27:18 UTC
CCP+1
CSM+2


Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#322 - 2011-10-06 09:31:34 UTC
From the little bit a certain teasing CSM gave out, supercaps are still going to be good ships, but are also going to be much more vulnerables.

I really want it to be an immunity to be remote (cap, armor and shield). That would force them to fit more cap mods and active tanking mods, and reduce drastically their EHP. Not that they still wouldn't have multiple millions of EHP, but they wouldn't reach obcenes 50M+ amounts of it anymore. And suiciding a subcap fleet to take out one of them among a supercap blob might be a working proposition.
ArmyOfMe
African Atomic.
#323 - 2011-10-06 09:44:51 UTC
Fix my damn deimos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Evil

Give all blasterships either a massive dps/agility buff or give us a built in web strength bonus Big smile

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.

Endeavour Starfleet
#324 - 2011-10-06 09:45:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
With the words from the CEO I hope you plan to listen to what the vast majority of people in nullsec want which is not what a small group of people wanting free ganks want.

One thing that has to be a priority in Winter 2011 gameplay wise is removing the immunity AFK Cloakers have to cause chaos in nullsec without actively being at a computer or taking any risk at all. The fact that many afk cloakers suggest removing local as a solution shows they are not serious about offering a solution to this serious issue and ought to be discarded as such. Realistic alternatives have been proposed and I hope you will read back through and consider them for Winter 2011.

Let me make it clear again tho. People suggesting removing local or changing it from anything from being able to glance and see a hostile in system want free ganks and that is it in my opinion. I have talked with more than a few people that will not only leave lowsec but leave the game in the event that the only chance to respond to a threat in local is once he has you locked down. You understand now that people will unsub this game and leave so I hope you will take proposals for fixing nullsec in the future seriously and not try to push things that will cause chaos and ghosttowns of nullsec to please solo pvpers. PVP ought to be in groups in EVE and things like TIme dilation will cause Group battles to be better instead of the lagfests they were in the past.

Edit: Any suggestions on changing local to "delayed mode" are also just those wanting free ganks in my opinion and ought to be discounted as the resulting chaos will result in many leaving the game and many leaving upon "discovering it" in nullsec.
Illwill Jill
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#325 - 2011-10-06 10:13:38 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
cloakers


I live in 0.0, and I'd love a delayed-mode local like the one in WH space. It'd be a very easy nerf to AFK-cloakers, as they'd not even be able to scare people anymore.

At the same time, it'd encourage teamwork amongst 0.0 residents, and would add some excitement to the constant sanctum and sov grinding that 0.0 is today.
Endeavour Starfleet
#326 - 2011-10-06 10:24:24 UTC
Illwill Jill wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
cloakers


I live in 0.0, and I'd love a delayed-mode local like the one in WH space. It'd be a very easy nerf to AFK-cloakers, as they'd not even be able to scare people anymore.

At the same time, it'd encourage teamwork amongst 0.0 residents, and would add some excitement to the constant sanctum and sov grinding that 0.0 is today.



No it will just cause many people (Including me and most of my corp) To give up. Stop living in a fantasy land where miners target paint themselves just for your lovely ammo to hit them. The risk in 00 is enough already and if you want to go have some excitement then go join a PVP group and oust the enemy from their systems. Now with time dilation the excuse of not going on large scare PVP due to lag will evaporate. There is no excuse to cause many to leave to please a few solo pvpers looking for free ganks.

WH space is the way it is for a reason. It is a CHOICE to go there. Making 00 like WH space will just cause the same thing as WH space. Small corps/alliances being ousted by big giant ones that are able to charge insane rents to people in select systems with caps while the rest of nullsec becomes a wasteland of crap that only pirates inhabit.

IE we quit. And even worse it will reinforce the idea that CCP is making doing things less valuable to drive up the will to use PLEX. There are already enough reasons to suspect this. There is no need for another.

Ya it will fix the AFK cloak issue alright. Because nobody will want to AFK cloak an empty 0.2 nullsec system for weeks.

Anything but a direct replacement for local or leaving it alone will ruin small corps and alliances. So this needs to be noted.
ArmyOfMe
African Atomic.
#327 - 2011-10-06 10:27:10 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:

Let me make it clear again tho. People suggesting removing local or changing it from anything from being able to glance and see a hostile in system want free ganks and that is it in my opinion.
Glad thats just your opinion thenBlink

Cause unlike what you might think, a lot of ppl in this game feel that local shouldnt be a IWIN info tool like it is today.
It would also help solve the problem with botters in 0,0. So the ppl you mention will leave the game if this happens are probably the same ppl that owns those botsBlink

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.

Creat Posudol
German Oldies
#328 - 2011-10-06 10:47:12 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Without saying what has been said here already (all the praise and ****) i got curious in one point.

Why the hell would you say "New T2" modules?! The only modules that i can think of that don't have their tech 2 counterpart are capital modules. So that means Tech 2 XL guns? How exactly are Titans supposed to be re-balanced if now they can use even more powerfull guns? Or are you going to restrict (hopefully) those T2 guns to dreads?


Well there are some other modules like the drone improvement modules (Omidirectional Tracking Link, Navigational Computer) that don't have T2 counterparts yet. Though there are some Faction variations since one or two expansions ago (only available via Fleet Warfare LP store).
I do hope those modules are included in the new T2 module part of the promise!

Also if it is T2 XL guns, I hope they don't introduce any limits to ship types like you propose, as no other primary weapon system has it's T2 variation limited to specific ship types. If alone for this reason I doubt they'll limit XL guns that way (if they truly come)...
Endeavour Starfleet
#329 - 2011-10-06 10:48:59 UTC
Nice try. Yet botting is a separate issue involving the report bot function. That is completely different.

IWin? Not if you aren't paying attention. In a game where loss is permanent I am not seriously going to walk out of the POS where my first indication of an enemy is him locking me down because I dont have some kind of fantasy instawarp fit,

You want free ganks. Just admit it. Because like many others we are tired of the excuses and run arounds to claim you "NEED local to go away"

No we are not going to put up some fantasy CAP. No we arent going to pay some alliance an ungodly fee to do such cap. We arent going to spam some D-scan like thing. We arent going to play minigames to see local.

We are going to leave. And I HIGHLY suspect we wont be the only ones. Especially once the pirates flood into nullsec and pounce upon the many who don't keep up with the news.

So ya you may have your fantasy world of gank after free tear filled gank. But then you will notice empty systems. Then slowed down dev as CCP loses customer after customer.

CCP you have shown willingness to listen. People in nullsec are taking a risk. The afk cloakers have no risk when AFK and the ones asking for local to delay want to remove almost all risk from their ganks.

Fix nullsec. Don't kill it!
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#330 - 2011-10-06 10:54:51 UTC
*smiles*

*dusts off Megathron*

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!! Twisted
ArmyOfMe
African Atomic.
#331 - 2011-10-06 11:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: ArmyOfMe
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:

You want free ganks. Just admit it. Because like many others we are tired of the excuses and run arounds to claim you "NEED local to go away"

People in nullsec are taking a risk. The afk cloakers have no risk when AFK and the ones asking for local to delay want to remove almost all risk from their ganks.

Fix nullsec. Don't kill it!

Null sec is already dead.

Strange however that i dont see many of your corp members trying to do anything significant in 0,0P
And no, im not after ganks. I do however want to be able to try and find a fight without an entire region knowing about me as soon as ive enterd local somwere.
What you want to do with your carebear needs is of no interest to me, and never will be either.
Eve is a cold hard place, and local the way it is, ruins a lot of that feel.

Out of pure curiosity, but how the hell does ppl in 0,0 really take any risks these days??
you have info channels, you have jump bridges, you have bubbles to slow gangs down and you have local.
so no, you dont really have any risks, cause as soon as someone enters local you can warp away or log, wich is risk free.

Also your char has 0 kills and 0 losses, so dont come talk to me about risks, when your either a) have never been to 0,0..
b)post with an alt to hide your mains identity, in wich case again you prove you cant take risks.

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.

spawx
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#332 - 2011-10-06 11:58:46 UTC
... so no view for the Missile launchers? damn, all other guns got a 3d view and can be looked at on the ship, no love for caldari ? xD
stellatron
Fuletomcold
#333 - 2011-10-06 12:39:56 UTC
Oh thank you gods of new eden for finally getting back on track to what really matters in eve. Spaceships!

/resub
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#334 - 2011-10-06 12:44:50 UTC
spawx wrote:
... so no view for the Missile launchers? damn, all other guns got a 3d view and can be looked at on the ship, no love for caldari ? xD
Changing missile launchers is a pretty large undertaking since it requires redesigns of every ship that has a launcher slot, and a complete reworking of the missile graphics on top of coming up with designs for a whole slew of modules that have previously not had any kind of 3D representation.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#335 - 2011-10-06 12:45:20 UTC
I am really looking forward to this ones...

- Factional warfare
- Assault ships
- New T2 modules
- New EWAR-Drones
- T2 Rigs manufacturing

Please tell me more! I feel that awesomeness will come near christmas! Don't let me starve from nescience.
Crellion
Nano Rhinos
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#336 - 2011-10-06 13:15:36 UTC


Things must be really desperate if Zulu played the 'fix hubrids' card....

Yes I do reaise they can just say it proved too hard for this expansion and blah blah blah but still.... putting the intention on paper... scawwwwyyyy...

I bet they had to drop Nescafe Gold Blend for regular or some such deprivation at CCP HQ.

Shocked
OT Smithers
A Farewell To Kings...
Dock Workers
#337 - 2011-10-06 13:56:28 UTC
spawx wrote:
... so no view for the Missile launchers? damn, all other guns got a 3d view and can be looked at on the ship, no love for caldari ? xD


There is NEVER love for Caldari.
icedisko
Dutch Legions
Solyaris Chtonium
#338 - 2011-10-06 14:04:23 UTC
Why omg!! WHY no improvements in GRAPHICS!! (read special effects) More color on E-War, missiles, explosions, etc etc.Pirate

Pass the Dutchie :)

Becky Manson
Doomheim
#339 - 2011-10-06 14:13:30 UTC
A sincere "Thank You" CCP.

Good to see you guys are turning your attention to some things that's been needing your love. I believe I might just be resubbing my accounts this winter expansion. Big smile


Hilmar,

Thanks for your apology. Didn't think it would ever happen, my eyes got a little misty (not really). EVE is awesome, it is a unique, one of a kind experience to anyone who plays the game. Again, thank you Hilmar.


Baby steps.
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#340 - 2011-10-06 14:15:16 UTC
I sure do hope all this is serious.

If not, I'm going to be really dissapointed. Yay for faction warfare changes! YAY for hybrid fix!

This may be a grand moment for eve.

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