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Time for ccp to tinker with the concord timer again

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2012-06-09 05:40:10 UTC
They've already increased CONCORD response times a million times before. Why do you think ~one more nerf~ is necessary? It won't be enough until you're completely safe mining anywhere in hisec in an untanked hulk with your bot running.

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#42 - 2012-06-09 05:43:23 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
They've already increased CONCORD response times a million times before. Why do you think ~one more nerf~ is necessary? It won't be enough until you're completely safe mining anywhere in hisec in an untanked hulk with your bot running.

As if that hasn't been their goal from the very start...

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#43 - 2012-06-09 05:44:47 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
They've already increased CONCORD response times a million times before. Why do you think ~one more nerf~ is necessary? It won't be enough until you're completely safe mining anywhere in hisec in an untanked hulk with your bot running.

As if that hasn't been their goal from the very start...

Guess the gig is up.

Well, not before they get ~one last tweak~ though.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#44 - 2012-06-09 05:45:03 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
EDIT : IT takes a near perfectly skilled pilot with implants to hit +26000 EHP. A moderately skilled pilot with months of fitting skills will more likely be around 24k ehp.


Moderately skilled pilot with T2 shield fittings, MAPC II, extender rigs, throw them in a fleet with an Orca flown by a siege warfare specialist using a Shield Harmonization link, and you have 30k EHP while still being able to use Strip Miner I or Ice Harvester II. A slight downgrade to that fitting will allow use of Modulated Strip Miner II (and thus crystals) with a 25k-or-so tank.

If you add an extra booster into the fleet with Siege Warfare Mindlink, you get an extra 5% shield capacity for free.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-06-09 05:48:43 UTC
Quote:
[Hulk, New Setup 2]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Vespa EC-600 x5


This does not have absurd fitting requirements and you can pull it off with a Genolution set and a +1% PG implant if you have Engineering V and Shield Upgrades V.

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ashley Eoner
#46 - 2012-06-09 05:48:52 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Mara Rinn wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
EDIT : IT takes a near perfectly skilled pilot with implants to hit +26000 EHP. A moderately skilled pilot with months of fitting skills will more likely be around 24k ehp.


Moderately skilled pilot with T2 shield fittings, MAPC II, extender rigs, throw them in a fleet with an Orca flown by a siege warfare specialist using a Shield Harmonization link, and you have 30k EHP while still being able to use Strip Miner I or Ice Harvester II. A slight downgrade to that fitting will allow use of Modulated Strip Miner II (and thus crystals) with a 25k-or-so tank.

If you add an extra booster into the fleet with Siege Warfare Mindlink, you get an extra 5% shield capacity for free.
Okay if you get to add another cahracter then I add another catalyst and your hulk is toast :P


Are you running hardeners with that setup?
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#47 - 2012-06-09 05:50:37 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
when the winter patch details leaked showing the removal of destroyers ROF penalty and seeing the potential of tier 3 BCs i suggested this before.
CCP adjust the timer upwards to increase Concords response time to bring ganking BACK in line with what is was pre incarna
and before anyone QQ's and moans from the ganking community i am NOT saying do away with ganking just bring it back to pre incarna levels, ie tinkering with the concord timer negates the ROF change on destroyers (catalysts for example) but still keeps things within pre incarna levels

and before anyone says "HTFU" or "go tank a hulk" i've seen solo catalysts gank a tanked hulk, dont believe me, look on eve-kill.net.

adjusting the concord timer ONLY effects HS and does NOT necessitate CCP then having to tinker with things else where in eve, ask yourself this would you like it if CCP tinkers with something and it screws something in nullsec or sov up? :)

sure, give them back insurance layouts for concorded ships and it'll all be peachy.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2012-06-09 05:55:53 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Okay if you get to add another cahracter then I add another catalyst and your hulk is toast :P


Is this the prevailing logic? "Hurr don't tank your Hulk they'll just bring more Catalysts to kill you"

By the same logic, buffing Hulks is stupid because ~they'll just bring more catalysts~

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ashley Eoner
#49 - 2012-06-09 05:55:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Richard Desturned wrote:
Quote:
[Hulk, New Setup 2]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Vespa EC-600 x5


This does not have absurd fitting requirements and you can pull it off with a Genolution set and a +1% PG implant if you have Engineering V and Shield Upgrades V.
My 4m sp miner alt doesn't have energy management 5 or the proper implant yet so it's build isn't quite as tanky and it sits at 25kish with a non perfect non implant orca that is still working on getting shield harmonizer skills (has some of the support skills +shield etc but not at 5 cause that's another 15 days or so each). I'm greedy and won't give up the t2s strippers...




Richard Desturned wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Okay if you get to add another cahracter then I add another catalyst and your hulk is toast :P


Is this the prevailing logic? "Hurr don't tank your Hulk they'll just bring more Catalysts to kill you"

By the same logic, buffing Hulks is stupid because ~they'll just bring more catalysts~


Haha jumping the gun there son. This started off as a hypothetical solo that is impossible and I was just commenting that it was possible if the ganker properly manipulated the system. Since one of the posters decided to add a person I added one too in order to keep things "fair" ;)
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#50 - 2012-06-09 06:07:14 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Okay if you get to add another cahracter then I add another catalyst and your hulk is toast :P


Is this the prevailing logic? "Hurr don't tank your Hulk they'll just bring more Catalysts to kill you"

By the same logic, buffing Hulks is stupid because ~they'll just bring more catalysts~

They just have to buff them enough that it would cost more in Catalysts to gank one than the price of the Hulk itself. I'm thinking give it around 60,000 base shield to get rid of the "ganking problem."

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#51 - 2012-06-09 06:12:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Let's make PVP in the type of space that has the second lowest total number of ships destroyed in PVP per year and the lowest overall ratio of ships lost to PVP versus PVE harder. Somehow that will benefit this PVP game.

Seriously, more people in highsec should be getting blown up by other people, we don't need highsec PVP to be less attractive and more difficult.
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#52 - 2012-06-12 09:37:28 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Let's make PVP in the type of space that has the second lowest total number of ships destroyed in PVP per year and the lowest overall ratio of ships lost to PVP versus PVE harder. Somehow that will benefit this PVP game.

Seriously, more people in highsec should be getting blown up by other people, we don't need highsec PVP to be less attractive and more difficult.


there's a differance between pvp and ganking, one being in case of miners, big fat loot Pinyana that generaly cant fight back, vs players in ships DESIGNED to shoot back.. lol
CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
#53 - 2012-06-12 11:06:57 UTC
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Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#54 - 2012-06-12 13:51:15 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Quote:
[Hulk, New Setup 2]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Vespa EC-600 x5


This does not have absurd fitting requirements and you can pull it off with a Genolution set and a +1% PG implant if you have Engineering V and Shield Upgrades V.



where as this one (linky provided) was a loot pinyana during hulkagedon lol

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13162422
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2012-06-12 14:11:02 UTC
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Quote:
[Hulk, New Setup 2]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Vespa EC-600 x5


This does not have absurd fitting requirements and you can pull it off with a Genolution set and a +1% PG implant if you have Engineering V and Shield Upgrades V.



where as this one (linky provided) was a loot pinyana during hulkagedon lol

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13162422



Tell me again how an active tank with cargo expanders and cargo rigs is in any way a tank against gankers? Maybe if he'd fit lows and rigs that didn't actively lower his EHP, he'd have done a bit better?
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#56 - 2012-06-12 14:17:28 UTC
AFK Hauler wrote:
CCP might get sick of all this CONCORD response timer bitching and make the response timer random just so they can troll the players.

Actually, this would be brilliant and lend a bit of realism to the game. Give it a range of times and a modifier based on sec level. Making it unpredictable makes ganking riskier, but at the same time might result in some ganks having enough time to pop a second exhumer before Concord arrives.

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Kusum Fawn
Perkone
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-06-12 14:36:27 UTC
on that deadspace hulk fitting

5,048 listed damage taken

5,063 listed base hulk hp

his fitting

4,364 pyfa hp (skills 0)
5,572 pyfa hp (skills 5)

10,366 pyfa ehp (skills 0)
13,573 pyfa ehp (skills 5)

just sayin, even an a-type invul which gives 4k paper ehp did nothing for that guy.

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Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-06-12 14:43:37 UTC
I'm confused, you suggest adjusting Concord Timers upwards to increase Concord response times then suggest that Gankers wouldn't like that, but it gives them more time, why wouldn't they like that?
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-06-12 18:15:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
personally I don't care what CCP does with regard to concord.. but lore demands concord do something. Ganking robs concord. Concord is a powerful entity that would angrily respond.. not for the sake of miners but for their own sake. If concord saw that taking out the gank ships did not stop the activity they would step up counter actions in some other way.

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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#60 - 2012-06-12 18:31:51 UTC
Kusum Fawn wrote:
on that deadspace hulk fitting

5,048 listed damage taken

5,063 listed base hulk hp

his fitting

4,364 pyfa hp (skills 0)
5,572 pyfa hp (skills 5)

10,366 pyfa ehp (skills 0)
13,573 pyfa ehp (skills 5)

just sayin, even an a-type invul which gives 4k paper ehp did nothing for that guy.

Probably because it was a stupid fit that isn't going to help at all against a gank. Guy didn't fit for EHP, he fitted a cap-unstable, low-ehp active tank and worse it was a deadspace pinata.

Cheap fits with nearly triple that EHP are possible.

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