EVE General Discussion

This will be the rorq killer. Why bother with it... other than compression... which really isn't that important.

I have to agree with you. All i know is that some 0.0 alliance got fed up with the off grib boosting cause the command ship would be hiding somewhere in system and the GOONs/Pets would get smacked around like some red headed step child and sent back upstairs to their rooms and the lucky ones got to run away in their pods..

Nerfing the Off grid boosting from the fleet warfare PVP, to PVE. since Faction Wars came out and the off grid booster hiding agitated one side and then the other side got something better and it slowly became a he said she said to mommy an daddy drama scene.

The Off grid booster should remain i spent real money on my accounts. why should anyone suffer cause someone got their panties in a wad.

oh well there is Diablo III

Ongrid booster alts that are 10,000km away? Cool.

Trolololololololololol CCP fixing things that arn't broken and yet ignoring the broken things screaming out to be fixed

good change, all boosting should be done on the grid, ideally within targeting range of the ship doing the boosting!

Hopefully fleet command ships will get another look at when this is implemented, at the very least so we all dont keep laughin at the vulture whatever the **** that thing is meant to be

I have to say, yea it would be interesting to see command ships on field, but the pos deal, usualy gives the defenders of a system the advantage to have links active while safe, but the ppl who are invading would have to bring their command ships in and use safes. so I don't think that's really that bad.. so I think off grid boosting can go which ever way for pvp, now for ndustry.. if they nerf it where a rorqual has to be on grid, I will sell it, right away... because without bonus's its basically a 3-4 Billion isk JF with a smaller cargo hold. more if fully fitted and it dies rather easily to most null sec small gang roams. even with a capital tank, it can't take much. and if the siege module is active to get the bonus to links. you might aswell self destruct it when you activate the industrial core. I spent a good amount of time on my industrial alt to get perfect boosting and the ability to fly a rorqual.

Nerf off grid boosting for that ship and the alt goes up for sale too (with mindlink).

Yup theres way too many scenarios where the changes a small but vocal minority are clamoring for will break functionality. While I think gang boosting needs quite a lot of looking at and tweaking I find when you look at most people who are calling for nerfing/removing off grid boosting its because they either don't understand it or are too stupid or lazy to either bring their own command ship or come up with other ways to balance or counter it.

I do think tho that:

Off grid boosting should never be as effective as on grid boosting, but at the same time off grid boosting should never be removed or significantly nerfed.

Off grid boosting ships should not be unscannable, or they have to make a compromise between less effective links but very hard to scan or more effective links but that makes them easily scannable - to put a sort of technical spin on it a ship that was boosting fleet capabilities off grid would be having to broadcast and receive massive amounts of telemetry data to and from the ships ongrid so with that amount of tranmissions it would be impossible to mask the energy signature.

From a mining aspect Id never fly a rorqual again. I have two booster toons, one account is only my booster alt as well as ET here has all the skills for boosting. Ill never agree with the its lame camp for off grid. But I would give ongrid commands a HUGE buff all across the board allowing all the CS types to fit for large fleet engagements and then please do something about the Eos. T3s pay for the boosting in terms of added isk cost, skill level loss possibility and not even a shadow of a CS tank for the same amount of links.

The reason the people with boosting alts say its too easy is because theyve metagamed the hell out of it for a long time and so it IS easy to them. Requiring them to be on grid will only help the larger of the fleets in any engagement and destroy solo or small gang work. Basically itd kill multiboxing as well as any gangs that arent running logis entirely. Most people would argue that multiboxing is cheating and all that jazz but frankly the metagame and the multiboxer is something CCP wishes and encourages, if only unofficially, so that argument isnt a valid one imo. It will also destroy one of the only advantages to OWNING the space you fight in and claiming the roll of the defender through usages of POSs and such to boost from. IN any combat scenario the ground that the battle is fought on is almost always to the advantage of the defender whos set up defensive positions. Using boosters on your own home turf IS that advantage imo and removing it would remove something Eve doesnt have a lot of, the idea of "ground" and terrain. There is no real high ground, cover or concealment. Terrain isnt much of a factor in terms of strategic importance.

So honestly Im really pissed off about this change in a lot of ways as Ive poured a lot of time and isk into those two toons for what I want them for and to see one of them, whos ENTIRE purpose is to be a booster alt, completely wasted in terms of sub price and skill training and usage that doesnt make me a happy camper.

Good thing this is not one of those instances. It seems to me most people know OGB brings nothing positive to the game. The vocal minority here is your lot that invested time/effort and if really stupid cash money into an OGB alt and don't want to lose their cheesy advantage. You are as bad as the miners that are complaining about all the exhumers getting a BUFF because the Hulk is not the only viable ship and they fly Hulks... If CCP doesn't want people running anoms AFK why should someone be able to completely turn the tide of battle 100% AFK?




Spoken like someone who has never PvP'ed outside of a blob. OGB is detrimental to small gangs. In a small gang you are already fighting outnumbered usually, then having your enemies getting all these buffs from their OGB in a POS it makes your outnumbered match even harder. Also how do you figure this is going to kill multiboxing? That makes zero sense... If anything it should promote multiboxing as now someone will have to be multiboxing and controlling the booster that is now on grid, as opposed to the booster sitting in a POS and being tabbed out of that screen.

OOOH tell me where these ships are, I want to shot them. Please please please!