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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#81 - 2012-06-12 07:15:06 UTC
Tippia wrote:
I was thinking more along the lines of “don't spread out to 60 different places just because there's 60 of you — gankers are not Cthulhu; safety in numbers does apply here.”


I can see disco coming to town.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlZ0EcsneSg
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2012-06-12 07:16:08 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Pointless arguing with the hisec miners and affiliated proponents, they are only motivated by a selfish need to keep life easy for themselves or allow their bots to run unhindered, your literally wasting time arguing with them as they don't care about the game one bit.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#83 - 2012-06-12 07:19:34 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
I can see disco coming to town.
Oh, you mean that weapon that doesn't work all that well against something with a proper tank; that requires tons of cap (of which they will have none); and which has tiiiiiny range so they'll maybe catch one or two ship in the radius (neither of which should die from it)?

Yes. That would be a rather expensive waste of time. Especially with pre-spawned CONCORD around.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-06-12 07:23:46 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
I can see disco coming to town.
Oh, you mean that weapon that doesn't work all that well against something with a proper tank; that requires tons of cap (of which they will have none); and which has tiiiiiny range so they'll maybe catch one or two ship in the radius (neither of which should die from it)?


Did you even click that link? Battleships killing battleships with smartbombs.
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2012-06-12 07:23:58 UTC
Op

Go away. Just. Go. Away. You do not understand eve.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2012-06-12 07:24:51 UTC
Not sure of goon alt.

or genuinely stupid.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-06-12 07:25:33 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Did you even click that link? Battleships killing battleships with smartbombs.

Within a very limited space, in lowsec, without concord. Yes. And?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#88 - 2012-06-12 07:28:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Did you even click that link? Battleships killing battleships with smartbombs.
Did you even click that link? Did you notice the title? Did you notice the conspicuous absence of CONCORD? Did you notice how many ships were involved? Did you notice what they had to equip to make it work even without these constraints?

So yes, it would be a rather expensive waste of time, especially with pre-spawned CONCORD around.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-06-12 07:28:25 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Did you even click that link? Battleships killing battleships with smartbombs.

Within a very limited space, in lowsec, without concord. Yes. And?


Tippia or Tippa tries to say that it's impossible to smartbomb anything with tank.
van Uber
Loke Inc.
#90 - 2012-06-12 07:31:17 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Did you even click that link? Battleships killing battleships with smartbombs.

Within a very limited space, in lowsec, without concord. Yes. And?


Tippia or Tippa tries to say that it's impossible to smartbomb anything with tank.


No, Tippia tries to explain that smartbombing a spread out and tanked gang is very hard when CONCORD is around. So hard infact, that the perpetrator probably would look for an easier target instead.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#91 - 2012-06-12 07:32:19 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia or Tippa tries to say that it's impossible to smartbomb anything with tank.
No, just me.

And no, I'm saying that it's easy to defend against; that it won't achieve much; that it will be hugely expensive; and that what makes smartbombs work is something you will not have available with CONCORD around.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2012-06-12 07:34:09 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Did you even click that link? Battleships killing battleships with smartbombs.

Within a very limited space, in lowsec, without concord. Yes. And?


Tippia or Tippa tries to say that it's impossible to smartbomb anything with tank.

Um, no, Tippia didn't. What Tippia said was that it doesn't work very well against anything with a proper tank, requires tons of cap, has a tiiiiiiny range so they'll catch one or two in the radius, and they wouldn't die from it. If the miners don't take any precautions, clump up in a huge lump etc, then yes, it'll work. But that would be because they're stupid.

None of which has any relation to the youtube link in question, since that was NOT IN HISEC.

Sigh.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#93 - 2012-06-12 07:37:39 UTC
Tippia wrote:
And no, I'm saying that it's easy to defend against; that it won't achieve much; that it will be hugely expensive; and that what makes smartbombs work is something you will not have available with CONCORD around.


Yulai is hisec, right? Then what's this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnjK5EVsIfI
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-06-12 07:40:48 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
And no, I'm saying that it's easy to defend against; that it won't achieve much; that it will be hugely expensive; and that what makes smartbombs work is something you will not have available with CONCORD around.


Yulai is hisec, right? Then what's this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnjK5EVsIfI

TWO THOUSAND AND SIX

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Herr Hammer Draken
#95 - 2012-06-12 07:41:23 UTC
Torneach wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Torneach wrote:
The goal of tanking a ship is to make it impractical for a ganker or group of gankers to gank you. Your job is to make it so a ganker has to invest more money than he stands to gain by attacking you. This creates a deterrent.

A tank will fight off the solo Catalyst, and maybe even two. Beyond that, there's no point financially speaking to attempt a gank.


How it is impractical? If they want to gank you there's nothing you can do about it.

1+ mil EHP Damnation/Proteus can be alpha'd in few seconds. What you think Hulk pilot can do to avoid getting ganked?


You're obviously trolling, but I'm gonna continue going on anyway.

Yes, with enough firepower, anything can be ganked. But is ganking a Hulk with a handful of Catalysts or a couple of Tornadoes really worth it? The gankers in that situation stand to lose much more than they would gain.

Of course, there are the few who would gank anyway, since they like to do it. But your average ganker is in it because they enjoy it, it is easy, and they stand to make some money. Take away the second and third incentives, and you'll find that most gankers will avoid attacking your ships.

Also, for the OP, read this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119804&find=unread



I do not find this to be true at all. What I do find is many gankers operate solo. For them tanking a hulk works to prevent the gank.
For the group gankers tanking a hulk is just the challenge they are looking for as the non tanked are just to easy.
The group is not generally concerned about profit. They already have all the money they need. They are looking for excitement
and the task of ganking a tanked hulk is just the challenge they are looking for with the incentive of getting some reward to cover some of the expense maybe 60% or so. Roughly about the same as the hulk pilot gets from insurance maybe 60-70% of the hull cost. It is these groups that are better trained. If one of them targets you the only defense is to not be where they are.
IE run. If you do not run you are dead.

But the majority are solo gankers and the group gankers are few. The groups are usually working gates. If they get bored as in nothing happening for a while then they may head into the belts looking for hulks and action.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#96 - 2012-06-12 07:42:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Yulai is hisec, right? Then what's this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnjK5EVsIfI
That is the incident that spurred the creation the CONCORD we have today.

So no, it's not the same highsec.

By the way, a conservative estimate would be that you need to spend roughly 3–4 billion worth of battleships and fittings in order to have a fair chance to blow up one or two properly fitted ships using smartbombs with pre-spawned CONCORD around… and even then, the timing has to be pretty good or there will be a chance to save them.

ISK tanking — best tanking.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-06-12 07:44:49 UTC
Tippia wrote:
By the way, a conservative estimate would be that you need to spend roughly 3–4 billion worth of battleships and fittings in order to have a fair chance to blow up one or two properly fitted ships using smartbombs with pre-spawned CONCORD around… and even then, the timing has to be pretty good or there will be a chance to save them.

ISK tanking — best tanking.


That's like one officer mod. Those drop in nullsec all the time.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#98 - 2012-06-12 07:47:05 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
That's like one officer mod. Those drop in nullsec all the time.
Lol No.
You somehow still haven't understood the whole economic angle of it all, have you?
van Uber
Loke Inc.
#99 - 2012-06-12 07:47:55 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
By the way, a conservative estimate would be that you need to spend roughly 3–4 billion worth of battleships and fittings in order to have a fair chance to blow up one or two properly fitted ships using smartbombs with pre-spawned CONCORD around… and even then, the timing has to be pretty good or there will be a chance to save them.

ISK tanking — best tanking.


That's like one officer mod. Those drop in nullsec all the time.


Yes and I hear Hulks actually spawns in asteroidbelts in Empire. Kind of makes it even.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2012-06-12 07:50:00 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
That's like one officer mod. Those drop in nullsec all the time.


If they're willing to throw away billions of ISK on ganking a group of Hulks and they manage to pull it off, that is not indicative of a problem.

Also you really seem to think that the average nullseccer gets officer drops all the time laffo

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