EVE New Citizens Q&A

Funny, I know several people who did just fine, even without direct help from me (some want to be hand held, some want to figure it out on their own). While there's always room for improvement and I'm certainly not going to defend CCP OP is whining about the wrong things, the wrong way.

But you can do just one scan of the entire system find all 4 anomalies book mark all 4 then put your probes away.
Then go do each one of those anomalies to get each pass key. You do not have to rescan each anomaly every single time.
The one thing that will help you more than anything is to spend an hour or two watching you tube videos on how to play eve.
How to do the tutorials. I understand you are frustrated. The you tube videos are far far more helpfull than the tutorials themselves.

Next if you want to get good at this game then research EVE on the internet. At least 90% of the content in this game is not apparent and is not even easy to stumble upon by trial and error. If that is your method of game play then you will go through your first two years of playing EVE without even understanding at least 60% of the available game content that you simply missed. And you would not be alone in this as I find most people play EVE play this way and only understand what someone tells them in game chat. It seems to be the driving force behind players jumping into a corp as soon as they finish the tutorials.


This game is really far more free form than anything else you have ever played. No guidance at all. Just a ship and space.
So then where do you want to go? What do you want to do? Even to figure out the answers to those questions means you have to know first what you can do. The tutorials are somewhat limited in they only cover the basic mechanics of how to do things in the game. But the tutorials give you no reason to do any of them and no context in which to find a path. You get a list of careers. And an idea of the game mechanics behind each career but they can all be blended and mixed and matched and bent into well almost anything you can come up with. CCP only says what you can not do everything else is allowed. As opposed to telling you what you can do.

Most other games lay out a course for you to follow and you improve along your path. A scripted event. EVE is free form with a short list of dont's. Everything else is up to your imagination. Good luck! You tube videos are a huge help for the starting player.

I've heard of problems with the shield and armor books not being given as well. I think only on one occasion i didnt get the book. Someone once said that if you are in ship view mode or if you leave the room and go to the balcony before Aura finishes talking you dont get the book. But the good thing is that having that skill book and the module isnt a requirement for doing the tutorials, so you can just buy it when you get the ISK. Another thing you can do is reopen the Aura tutorial that goes over armor and shield skill training and you *might* get a free book.

You do realize that with DUST some new players will try out EVE?

You can not think out of your own small box. The most funny thing seems here to be that those who claim that new players can not adapt are the ones who really can not adapt. Any change just confuses you guys. I can imagine what are you thinking: "But why do they want to change things? ohhh i got so used to press the buttons in a specific order... plz do not change the tutorials. i did them like 4 years ago and they were so much better compared to those from 9 years ago... oooh i will call other players trolls and degrade the forums to a useless crap of bit and bytes. I am not able of leading a dicussion with arguments. i will just say NOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOO to everything."

Which part of: The prensentation of very simple tasks in the tutorial is horrible.
didnt you get? Should i draw you a picture? hah, u see? picture + manual/tutorial =ownd.
Not everyone lives in Jita. So human beeings have a job, family and limited freetime. You have limited imagination.
The complain is not about the task or what you are told to do in the tutorial. Every idiot will understand that a spacegame demands more than a simple WASD shooter, but you can not get the sandbox argument everytime out of the box the excuse a flaw. The complain is about how it is presented to help new players. I am not claiming that there is a easy way. I assume those developers have their reasons why it is like it is. Some old concepts and old code which they can not replace that easy.

But i can imagine few different ways how to introduce a sandbox game to a new player without forcing him/her to read a paper manual with 50 pages before you can do your first move.
Just imagine the following: They would remove those little ugly manualwindows out of the game and would tell you to read the real paper manual. CCP sends you a paper booklet and everytime when you get an order to do something from Aura, you just get the info what page to read in your real paperbook. It is the same concept. You are reading text.

And that is what the avarage player will see in his first hour of EVE. The world is evolving, games and entertainment is evolving. Can you adapt to it?

However, why change anything? CCP seems to be earning a lot of money with the existing fanbase. New players mean more service wanted, more content wanted, more more more BLANK BLANK BLANK. In the end it would ask for more diversity to make different kind of players happy. Never change a working system.

I too started in space like that. I warped away (took me a few seconds to figure out). I didn't want to randomly shoot stuff until I knew what I was getting into! I then had no way to get back there. Thus ended the only tutorial I ever did.

I think the OP's comments are completely valid. I also think that many of the posters are correct.

The tutorials need to support people of various skill levels and dispositions. I think perhaps the tutorial only supports the simplest player, which more advanced or less attentive players find boring. Also, if reading or paying attention is vital, then the tutorial shouldn't make it so easy for you to avoid reading or paying attention!

I like the OP's suggestion that Aura should provide more prompting, including a reminder that if you are lost that you should read the material again that Aura has already provided. Aura might be too nice and too patient.

These days tutorial is way better then the one I started with; start station / space yes / no I chose "in space" and I was in middle of no where wondering how does this thing actually move and that going towards the station sure does take time (once I had figured out that square was a station) until I found out that you could warp.

Then I had a tutorial which was "this is a gun, go kill stuff" and that was it for my tutorial.

Not that the current tutorial couldn't use some improvements.
Guess I'll have to make some notes while re-doing it my self since I don't have a fresh guinea pig for testing and post those on the relevant thread which OP is supposed to be doing as well if he wants improvements for EvE-NPE.

This,

but, in mission briefing ALL the requirements for the mission are actually in the right panel, and after you accept the mission just open a conversation (or it stays open) with the agent and minimize it (not close it). This will make the conversation (with mission briefing) available from your NEOCOM menu (left bar), for easy checking what you should do.

Also wehn you open the map, there will be a new screen that has popped up, with all options related to the map, switch star / system map, unflatten / flatten etc. there is also a button "Close map".

But yes, NPE should be improved cause there are still flaws in it. But it surely isn't bad compared to the past. It works as everything else in EVE, making the NPE easy and more "hand holding" means new players are even more lost on what to do after they finish it. You would be amazed by the amount of questions: "I did all tutorials, what should I do now" / "I completed the tutorials, where do I have to move next" / etc.

Friend of mine started game yesterday (Damn, took me about a year to convince him EVE is better then WoW ).

He did the tutorial and all career agents in about 45 minutes, without real help from me (we only had convo / TS3 open for questions, which also can be answered from rookie help).

He only experienced 1 problem, the known "you get the module, but lack the skill".

While there's some valid points, that have been reported several times already yet not fixed by CCP (oops), like missing items and such glitches, there's also a deep misunderstanding.

I'm sure CCP could easily make a storyline driven tutorial, with cinematics and loads of user-friendly interactions. Yes it'll surely hook many more players and ease the basic controls understanding, but that would feel like deception compared to the actual game past the tutorials and would probably cause massive complaints later on as the way the game is played beyond it would feel tasteless for those gone through an all shiny interactive tutorial.

There are issues to fix with the tutorials, indeed, but the whole game tries to push players towards Player vs Player interaction, wich resides mostly in spaceship combats and text-chat, offering a preset of tools and tens of ways to use them but generally speaking, no storyline, no computer generated plot leading you to an endgame. There's so many ways of achieving things in the game that they just can't be summed up in a short introduction but provide the curious players with the tools to find informations themselves and figure out how it works.

One of the questions I'd ask is: would you subscribe to a game having a breathtaking, immersive and cutting-edge tutorial ending with EvE as we know it past these?

It is a subtle balance to keep the tutorials in line with the game and providing the necessary help to new players needing to figure how the game works.

You mention on multiple occasions that Aura is boring because of the slow speech and it seems she's adressing retards, but keep in mind a lot of players don't speak english as their primary language and Eve isn't translated in every language, maybe it's a point to improve, but let's not disregard the largest part of the globe, shall we? That's why you have both the text-based help and Aura's speech. You mentionned multiple moments where you got stuck not knowing what to do and I remember well enough those informations were provided in those ugly little windows you had the urge to skip apparently.

The rest of the comments show that you want to get in the action quickly and not be bothered with more informations than just moving and shooting.

You seemed to be willing to provide feedback on the New Player Experience but only offered criticism without any constructive suggestion on how to improve it other than "stop talking biatch and let me shoot stuff".

It seems you were expecting a fast-paced space shooter somehow, ala MassEffect, but EvE isn't that kind of game, so maybe the game just isn't for you, sorry about that.

Yet a lot of people subscribe to EVE every day, and you are the only one who comes to the forum whining how boring the tutorials are.

Tutorials, in any game, are boring cause they are there to explain you the Basics. I haven't found a game yet that made me go: Wow, these tutorials are exciting. Tutorials are in general just read / listen what is presented to you to find how stuff works, when done, have a nice time playing the game.

EVE isn't different, they explain you the very basic on how EVE works and the very basic stuff you can do (Navigation through space, shooting stuff, then the 5 career agents). And there are hundreds of guides you can read through (some even available to be shipped to you on paper if you like that - www.isktheguide.com) which all explain in very great detail what you can do in EVE ( www.swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/)

EVE isn't about quick, straight from 1 seconds instant action, EVE is about longer time planning.

EVE is a sandbox, you didn't go to a sandbox when you were young and had someone explained to you what you could do with a shovel and bucket back then. You just went in and did what ever you liked.
Making a tutorial that would explain EVERYTHING would mean you will be running a tutorial for the first 6 months of playing, as some things take time to get into.