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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#41 - 2012-06-12 04:54:23 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Torneach wrote:
Fit a tank.


Show me a tanked Hulk that can't be ganked.


[Hulk, New Setup 1]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Amplifier

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Hornet EC-300 x5
Hobgoblin II x5

Or

[Rokh, New Setup 1 import 1]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution Script
Survey Scanner II

Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II

Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Cargohold Optimization I

Hobgoblin II x5
Mining Drone II x5

Mine along side an Orca and quit bitching. If you dont have an orca yourself, rumour has it this game has 360,000 accounts, make friends.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-06-12 05:04:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
sYnc Vir wrote:
quit bitching


Your Rokh fit needs T2 mining crystals and extender rigs to be worth it.

Not sure if those small ECM drones can jam destroyer before it's too late.
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-06-12 05:04:55 UTC
I both love and hate threads like this.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-06-12 05:20:20 UTC
Torneach wrote:
But your average ganker is in it because they enjoy it, it is easy, and they stand to make some money.


Basically due to unbalanced game mechanics.

There lies the crux of the problem. What used to be a casual once in a while occurrence has now been overly publicized and promoted into a full fledged daily exploit of epidemic proportions.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#45 - 2012-06-12 05:22:41 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Torneach wrote:
But your average ganker is in it because they enjoy it, it is easy, and they stand to make some money.
Basically due to unbalanced game mechanics.
What's unbalanced about it?
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-06-12 05:24:55 UTC
Tippia wrote:
What's unbalanced about it?


Ganker is protected by Concord so miner can't do anything before ganker clicks Yes.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#47 - 2012-06-12 05:34:59 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Ganker is protected by Concord so miner can't do anything before ganker clicks Yes.
Yes, the rules apply equally to everyone (which, by the way, means the miner can do something). That's balance.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-06-12 05:38:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Yes, the rules apply equally to everyone (which, by the way, means the miner can do something). That's balance.


Like sending Hammerhead IIs to attack ganker before gank starts. What happen here is that you will lose your 400 mil ship and ganker gets easy profit without risk.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#49 - 2012-06-12 05:43:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Like sending Hammerhead IIs to attack ganker before gank starts. What happen here is that you will lose your 400 mil ship and ganker gets easy profit without risk.
So don't do that, then. Do something that doesn't cost as much, or that lets you use better ships, or something that doesn't automatically generate a loss, or something that just skips the gankers completely, or something that defangs their attack, or… you know… anything.

The question remains: what's unbalanced about it?
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-06-12 05:45:59 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Like sending Hammerhead IIs to attack ganker before gank starts. What happen here is that you will lose your 400 mil ship and ganker gets easy profit without risk.
So don't do that, then. Do something that doesn't cost as much, or that lets you use better ships, or something that doesn't automatically generate a loss, or something that just skips the gankers completely, or something that defangs their attack, or… you know… anything.

The question remains: what's unbalanced about it?


It doesn't matter what ship you use Concord will still destroy it if you attack ganker before gank actually starts + 10 seconds for GCC to appear.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-06-12 05:48:02 UTC
Riiekus wrote:
high sec is suppose to be a safe zone

Nope. It's supposed to be a safer zone than low or nullsec, it's not supposed to be safe.

Riiekus wrote:
Riiekus.

Good thing you signed your post, I never would've known who posted it otherwise.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Qolde
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-06-12 05:48:56 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Do something.

If someone craps in your sandbox: 1. Light it on fire 2. Grab your shovel 3. Throw it back at them.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#53 - 2012-06-12 05:49:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
It doesn't matter what ship you use Concord will still destroy it if you attack ganker before gank actually starts + 10 seconds for GCC to appear.
Yes? And? (Well, actually, no, since there are several options available to attack them without CONCORD intervention… but still.)

That covers one of the suggested actions you can take… that leaves roughly eight gazillion others.

It also doesn't answer the question: what's unbalanced about it?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-06-12 05:50:49 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Torneach wrote:
But your average ganker is in it because they enjoy it, it is easy, and they stand to make some money.


Basically due to unbalanced game mechanics.

There lies the crux of the problem. What used to be a casual once in a while occurrence has now been overly publicized and promoted into a full fledged daily exploit of epidemic proportions.

Nobody's stopping you from utilizing all the various techniques which have been developed over literally all the hulkageddons over the years, which make ganking hulks a much more expensive and hard to execute maneuver.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-06-12 05:52:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Tippia wrote:
Yes? And? (Well, actually, no, since there are several options available to attack them without CONCORD intervention… but still.)

That covers one of the suggested actions you can take… that leaves roughly eight gazillion others.

It also doesn't answer the question: what's unbalanced about it?


Like what? RR?

Lord Zim wrote:
Nobody's stopping you from utilizing all the various techniques which have been developed over literally all the hulkageddons over the years, which make ganking hulks a much more expensive and hard to execute maneuver.


Officer mods on Hulk isn't really a good option. There would be over 100% chance you will be ganked.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#56 - 2012-06-12 06:02:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Like what? RR?
Like…
Wardecs, killrights, legal attacks on outlaws, warping off, tanking your ship, tanking + rr, pre-spawning CONCORD, arty-blapping them when they attack, ecm, making yourself a low-value target, making yourself a high-cost target. You know… anything.

Quote:
Officer mods on Hulk isn't really a good option. There would be over 100% chance you will be ganked.
That's why it has never been offered as a technique to make the gank more expensive and hard to execute. Do you actually read the things you quote before you respond to them, or are you just hoping that they will say something that has any bearing on your response?
Leeha Shouna
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-06-12 06:04:20 UTC
Riiekus wrote:
high sec is suppose to be a safe zone not a worry about whether or not im going to get ganked while trying to mine for my corp.

I am so tired see these comments. I dislike the ganking myself, but at same time this is why i LOVE EvE and came back here, the only true hard core game out here!

If people are building up wealth in High Sec, they will become a threat in future or they are helping enemies of these that are behind Hulkageddon for example. This is why they keep doing it, together with being able provide market with ships thremselfs AND the fun factor see all stupid whinning comments on these forums!

Those that are behind hulkageddon just protecting their turf in a way so many of the carebears dont realise... it is a Sandbox, and this is what happens. If someone is allowed build up increadible wealth without being able to be attacked, and gather ships for future battles, of course actions need be taken to reduce a future threat? If this isnt allowed, i guess i will leave this game.

For all that calling them greifers cause they target your charather ingame, there is a hige difference between greifing a player compared to a charather of yours, suck it up!
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-06-12 06:08:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Tippia wrote:
Wardecs, killrights


They don't undock or just logoff.

And would like to see you wardeccing Deep Core Mining or The Scope or other popular ganker NPC corps.

Tippia wrote:
legal attacks on outlaws


Sec status grinding is currently so easy they aren't outlaws more than two hours.

Tippia wrote:
tanking your ship, tanking + rr


Doesn't work against alpha ganks.

Tippia wrote:
pre-spawning CONCORD


Exploit.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#59 - 2012-06-12 06:23:02 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
They don't undock or just logoff.
Problem solved.
Quote:
Sec status grinding is currently so easy they aren't outlaws more than two hours.
So? Kill them.
Quote:
Doesn't work against alpha ganks.
Yes it does.
Quote:
Exploit.
Nope.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-06-12 06:29:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Tippia wrote:
Problem solved.


How is problem solved when first they gank you and then wait 15 mins on station and gank you again?

Tippia wrote:
Yes it does.


For some reason I don't believe you can rr for example a freighter when it's attacked by 15 Tornadoes.

And the Concord thing is an exploit.