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Only *2* gender choices - Bigotry in action?

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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#101 - 2012-06-11 23:46:10 UTC
Xenuria wrote:



Do they have spell check in Goonwaffe, or does Mittani forbid the use of it?


I guess you don't have a counter argument.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Torneach
Doomheim
#102 - 2012-06-11 23:48:07 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Gener is primarily determined by your sex.
No. Gender is primarily determined by societal expectations… unless/until the subject disagrees.

Quote:
Dude in the Miss USA pagent isn't a ******* woman!!!!!
Problem: “dude” and “woman” is a matter of sex, not gender.


Societal plague. That's all it is. lol. So many people want to be the nice guy. So many people don't want to tread on the feelings of others.

There is no room for logic in todays society. Fundimentalism is fine, and unquestionable exceptance as well.

God forbid that gender still have anything to do with your sex, or that we recognize that the same things that made our sex are also responcible for our gender.

We'll put it on the whoes of society. In this way when I want to dress up like a woman, I have reason to justify it. There's nothing wrong with me, it's how I was supposed to be born, it's my gender.

That's a bunch of bullshit. You're tesitcles predominately define you as a man, not society. I don't give a **** what you call yourself. You're a guy.


Christ. You got me making half a half serious post in a troll thread.


Really, the root of all this is the rejection of any sort of absolute truth. Relativism at its finest.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#103 - 2012-06-11 23:50:22 UTC
Attention everybody in this thread! Transgender people look just like every body else. Also, I don't understand why any transperson, if they were choosing their character based solely on their gender, would want to pick the sex of their character to be something other than their target sex.

Basically this whole thread has been one big, transphobic troll.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#104 - 2012-06-11 23:52:32 UTC
wow this thread still going on?

quick answer is the same why you wont see religious based stuff in character creator... i cant get a kippa and my friend cant put on a hijab and my other friend cant put on a turban... same reason why you wont see tranny options.

even though this game is PC it does not mean its option to customize your char have to be PC...

eve online is a game not a real life sim... if you want to play a rl sim go play sims...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#105 - 2012-06-11 23:52:33 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Gener is primarily determined by your sex.
No. Gender is primarily determined by societal expectations… unless/until the subject disagrees.

Quote:
Dude in the Miss USA pagent isn't a ******* woman!!!!!
Problem: “dude” and “woman” is a matter of sex, not gender.


Societal plague. That's all it is. lol. So many people want to be the nice guy. So many people don't want to tread on the feelings of others.

There is no room for logic in todays society. Fundimentalism is fine, and unquestionable exceptance as well.

God forbid that gender still have anything to do with your sex, or that we recognize that the same things that made our sex are also responcible for our gender.

We'll put it on the whoes of society. In this way when I want to dress up like a woman, I have reason to justify it. There's nothing wrong with me, it's how I was supposed to be born, it's my gender.

That's a bunch of bullshit. You're tesitcles predominately define you as a man, not society. I don't give a **** what you call yourself. You're a guy.


Christ. You got me making half a half serious post in a troll thread.



Do they have spell check in Goonwaffe, or does Mittani forbid the use of it?

No.

I'm not a great speller to begin with, I'm actually a very talented artist who can paint a lifelike portrait, but can't spell for ****.
And then one day I woke and found my nerveous system was failing on me. My hands literally do not respond sometimes. After a year and half I still haven't learned to take the time and check what I wrote, so you'll see a LOT of crazy errors in my posting.

You'll just have to learn to live with like I have. The good thing is I'll deal with the pain and eventual death, and you can go on pointing out gramatical errors on the internet; because we know how much we love people that do that.
Arec Bardwin
#106 - 2012-06-11 23:53:00 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
It is frankly amazing that in this, the year of our lord 2012, there are only 2 gender choices in EVE online. It would be ideal if there were separate sliding scales for both sex and gender, but given the horrific state of intolerance this game's character creator currently wallows in, I would settle for 2 sex choices and a sliding scale for gender. It would also be nice if NPC's would ask you which gendered pronouns you would like used (when you receive missions and such), or least refer to you as he/she/zhe/zhir/hir/hyr/etc depending on the position you chose on the gender scale.

Thoughts?
You need to Harden The **** Up, Thomas.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#107 - 2012-06-11 23:54:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Societal plague. That's all it is. lol. So many people want to be the nice guy. So many people don't want to tread on the feelings of others.
Good thing, then, that gender has nothing to do with being a “nice guy” or stepping on anyone's toes. It has to do with problematisation of assumptions.

Quote:
God forbid that gender still have anything to do with your sex
Still? It never had, beyond using those assumptions as a starting point and showing that they, and the categorisation they created, were incomplete and insufficient.

Quote:
You're tesitcles predominately define you as a man, not society.
…and neither has anything to do with gender. It also has nothing to do with the “whoes” of society (whatever that means… woes?) — that's just the source of categories, and as such, they are almost infinitely mutable.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-06-12 00:00:23 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Societal plague. That's all it is. lol. So many people want to be the nice guy. So many people don't want to tread on the feelings of others.
Good thing, then, that gender has nothing to do with being a “nice guy” or stepping on anyone's toes. It has to do with problematisation of assumptions.

Quote:
God forbid that gender still have anything to do with your sex
Still? It never had, beyond using those assumptions as a starting point and showing that they, and the categorisation they created, were incomplete and insufficient.

Quote:
You're tesitcles predominately define you as a man, not society.
…and neither has anything to do with gender. It also has nothing to do with the “whoes” of society (whatever that means… woes?) — that's just the source of categories, and as such, they are almost infinitely mutable.


LOL. When the majority of men start to act like wemon, I'll agree with you.

Until then, your testicles make you a guy. And to the best of my knowledge the term guy implies gender.



Believe me, I'm not as stupid as you think I think I am or might be.
Greyscale Dash
Doomheim
#109 - 2012-06-12 00:03:34 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Societal plague. That's all it is. lol. So many people want to be the nice guy. So many people don't want to tread on the feelings of others.
Good thing, then, that gender has nothing to do with being a “nice guy” or stepping on anyone's toes. It has to do with problematisation of assumptions.

Quote:
God forbid that gender still have anything to do with your sex
Still? It never had, beyond using those assumptions as a starting point and showing that they, and the categorisation they created, were incomplete and insufficient.

Quote:
You're tesitcles predominately define you as a man, not society.
…and neither has anything to do with gender. It also has nothing to do with the “whoes” of society (whatever that means… woes?) — that's just the source of categories, and as such, they are almost infinitely mutable.


LOL. When the majority of men start to act like wemon, I'll agree with you.

Until then, your ********* make you a guy. And to the best of my knowledge the term guy implies gender.



Believe me, I'm not as stupid as you think I think I am or might be.


Don't bother. Tippia never listens to any feedback, she only posts canned responses and puts everyone down.
Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#110 - 2012-06-12 00:05:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Thomas Hurt
I am seriously amazed at the lack of sensitivity and understanding displayed by posters on the EVE forum in regards to this subject. It may surprise some of you to know that gender didn't even exist as a concept in Europe until the Mongols brought it over in the late 13th century; in most of sub-Saharan Africa there are 3 genders, and all can legally marry each other. It is pretty disingenuous to act like gender is this static thing that huwomankind has had for all of herstory.

smdh
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#111 - 2012-06-12 00:11:30 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
I am seriously amazed at the lack of sensitivity and understanding displayed by posters on the EVE forum in regards to this subject. It may surprise some of you to know that gender didn't even exist as a concept in Europe until the Mongols brought it over in the late 13th century; in most of sub-Saharan Africa there are 3 genders, and all can legally marry each other. It is pretty disingenuous to act like gender is this static thing that huwomankind has had since its' inception.

smdh



i know you are being serious but who do you think ccp markets this game too? Americans and Europeans/east asians or sub Saharan Africans?

in all honesty most north Americans are rather ignorant and to them gender and sexuality are the same thing...

tuff lesson but really this is eve online GD forums what did you expect?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Torneach
Doomheim
#112 - 2012-06-12 00:13:16 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
I am seriously amazed at the lack of sensitivity and understanding displayed by posters on the EVE forum in regards to this subject. It may surprise some of you to know that gender didn't even exist as a concept in Europe until the Mongols brought it over in the late 13th century; in most of sub-Saharan Africa there are 3 genders, and all can legally marry each other. It is pretty disingenuous to act like gender is this static thing that huwomankind has had for all of herstory.

smdh


Whether you like it or not, most of the people in this forum have been living in a Western culture. Part of that culture is that a man is a man and a woman is a woman, and those identities are fundamentally linked with the sexual organs a person has.

So sorry if many don't 'understand' something so foreign and, frankly, strange. The sub-Saharans can do whatever the heck they want. That is their culture.
ISD Stensson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2012-06-12 00:15:46 UTC
This thead looks like deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Locked.

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