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Only *2* gender choices - Bigotry in action?

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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#81 - 2012-06-11 23:07:27 UTC
Tippia wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:

The gender of the parakeet sitting on my desk is determined essentially the same way as yours.
You mean by observing its behaviour in a social context? How does an effeminate parakeet behave, by the way?



Enjoys nuts way to much Lol


Tal


masternerdguy
Doomheim
#82 - 2012-06-11 23:07:56 UTC
Tippia wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
I disagree. Gender is a trait allocated to you at conception.
Then you're not disagreeing — you're using the wrong word, because that's not what gender is.

Gender is a social construct that distinguishes between “feminine” and ”masculine” (and “queer” in all its incarnations). It is not allocated at you (although society will try its hardest to make it match your sex). It is not determined by genetics (that is sex — the distinction between “female” and “male”).

Quote:
The gender of the parakeet sitting on my desk is determined essentially the same way as yours.
You mean by observing its behaviour in a social context? How does an effeminate parakeet behave, by the way?


Fine wrong word.

I still think that the OP is making unreasonable claims and requests of CCP, however.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Keia Nomesteturj
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2012-06-11 23:08:21 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
It is frankly amazing that in this, the year of our lord 2012, there are only 2 gender choices in EVE online. It would be ideal if there were separate sliding scales for both sex and gender, but given the horrific state of intolerance this game's character creator currently wallows in, I would settle for 2 sex choices and a sliding scale for gender. It would also be nice if NPC's would ask you which gendered pronouns you would like used (when you receive missions and such), or least refer to you as he/she/zhe/zhir/hir/hyr/etc depending on the position you chose on the gender scale.

Thoughts?



Seems like you might've just asked if your avatar could wear the girl clothes.

1/10 to the OP, 7/10 for the rest of the thread, heh
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#84 - 2012-06-11 23:08:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
It is painfully clear that some people's intelligence is equal to that of a parakeet; he's not wrong.
He's only right by accident, not by understanding. He just happened to choose a very poor example that accidentally holds true for both gender and sex.

That doesn't change the fact that he's wrong about what gender is or how you determine it.

I'm not defending the troll. Big smile Merely pointing out that the level of intelligence of both looks pretty equal here.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-06-11 23:08:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Cutter Isaacson wrote:


I merely pointed out that by his definition, one's true gender is determined entirely by the physical attributes of your body, which is incorrect. A persons gender identity is NOT determined by such a narrow set of rules. Hope that makes it a little clearer.


I'm not going to argue with you, especially because this is a troll thread and I know you're completely out of your mind.

I"m just going to write then and continue to laugh my ass off.




Gender isn't is genetics. OK then.

Let me point this out. I'm not a plitically correct douchebag that spends his life worried that I might "offend" someones sensetivety. Gener is primarily determined by your sex. I really do not give a **** what words you want to mince.

Dude in the Miss USA pagent isn't a ******* woman!!!!!
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#86 - 2012-06-11 23:12:25 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Tippia wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
I disagree. Gender is a trait allocated to you at conception.
Then you're not disagreeing — you're using the wrong word, because that's not what gender is.

Gender is a social construct that distinguishes between “feminine” and ”masculine” (and “queer” in all its incarnations). It is not allocated at you (although society will try its hardest to make it match your sex). It is not determined by genetics (that is sex — the distinction between “female” and “male”).

Quote:
The gender of the parakeet sitting on my desk is determined essentially the same way as yours.
You mean by observing its behaviour in a social context? How does an effeminate parakeet behave, by the way?


Fine wrong word.

I still think that the OP is making unreasonable claims and requests of CCP, however.



If there was only 2 ships you could fly in the entire of EVE, would you not ask for more?

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#87 - 2012-06-11 23:13:28 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


Gender isn't is genetics. OK then.

Let me point this out. I'm not a plitically correct douchebag that spends his life worried that I might "offend" someones sensetivety. Gender is primarily determined by your sex. I really do not give a **** what words you want to mince.

Dude in the Miss USA pagent isn't a ******* woman!!!!!


This is what I was intending to say.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#88 - 2012-06-11 23:15:49 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


Gender isn't is genetics. OK then.

Let me point this out. I'm not a plitically correct douchebag that spends his life worried that I might "offend" someones sensetivety. Gender is primarily determined by your sex. I really do not give a **** what words you want to mince.

Dude in the Miss USA pagent isn't a ******* woman!!!!!


This is what I was intending to say.



Genetics is what determines Sex. Gender is defined by many other things. Please learn basic biology before posting on such issues.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#89 - 2012-06-11 23:16:56 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Gener is primarily determined by your sex.
No. Gender is primarily determined by societal expectations… unless/until the subject disagrees.

Quote:
Dude in the Miss USA pagent isn't a ******* woman!!!!!
Problem: “dude” and “woman” is a matter of sex, not gender.
Greyscale Dash
Doomheim
#90 - 2012-06-11 23:18:16 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


Gender isn't is genetics. OK then.

Let me point this out. I'm not a plitically correct douchebag that spends his life worried that I might "offend" someones sensetivety. Gender is primarily determined by your sex. I really do not give a **** what words you want to mince.

Dude in the Miss USA pagent isn't a ******* woman!!!!!


This is what I was intending to say.



Genetics is what determines Sex. Gender is defined by many other things. Please learn basic biology before posting on such issues.


LOL.

For the most part, people are attracted to the opposite sex. I don't care if you aren't because I don't want to hear your sob story about how you weren't hugged as a child.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#91 - 2012-06-11 23:22:53 UTC
Greyscale Dash wrote:
For the most part, people are attracted to the opposite sex. I don't care if you aren't because I don't want to hear your sob story about how you weren't hugged as a child.



I don't believe I asked you to care about anything actually. Though you do seem to be rather upset about something, judging by your "sob story" line and something to do with your childhood.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#92 - 2012-06-11 23:24:46 UTC
Greyscale Dash wrote:
For the most part, people are attracted to the opposite sex.
…which has surprisingly little to do with gender.
Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#93 - 2012-06-11 23:26:53 UTC
Greyscale Dash wrote:

LOL.

For the most part, people are attracted to the opposite sex. I don't care if you aren't because I don't want to hear your sob story about how you weren't hugged as a child.


If you have some issues you'd like to talk through, that'd be alright; consider this a shame-free safe-zone. In fact, mods, could we get a Safe Zone tag?
Greyscale Dash
Doomheim
#94 - 2012-06-11 23:28:15 UTC
When I was 9, I stubbed my toe. I went to my mother to cry.

She was a lot like the people who frequent GD forum. She told me to HTFU and said that people who cried as much as I did would never hold a job or spouse. She didn't even give me a bandaid, because she said I wasn't bleeding enough to waste the bandage.

Then she was diagnosed with a fatal illness. I was 15 at the time and had a bad relationship with her, but I decided to go visit her before she died in the hospital. I told her I loved her, and she glared at me and told me that if I couldn't handle my mother's death I was guaranteed a life of destitution and sorrow. She then told me that she never actually loved me.

I cried.

And that's why I am the way I am todayRoll
Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#95 - 2012-06-11 23:31:06 UTC
Greyscale Dash wrote:
Roll


Wow, my condolences... I'm not sure how this plays into your gender identity issues, however?
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#96 - 2012-06-11 23:31:54 UTC
Greyscale Dash wrote:
When I was 9, I stubbed my toe. I went to my mother to cry.

She was a lot like the people who frequent GD forum. She told me to HTFU and said that people who cried as much as I did would never hold a job or spouse. She didn't even give me a bandaid, because she said I wasn't bleeding enough to waste the bandage.

Then she was diagnosed with a fatal illness. I was 15 at the time and had a bad relationship with her, but I decided to go visit her before she died in the hospital. I told her I loved her, and she glared at me and told me that if I couldn't handle my mother's death I was guaranteed a life of destitution and sorrow. She then told me that she never actually loved me.

I cried.

And that's why I am the way I am todayRoll



Sounds like a **** excuse to me. 0/10

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#97 - 2012-06-11 23:35:02 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Greyscale Dash wrote:
Roll


Wow, my condolences... I'm not sure how this plays into your gender identity issues, however?


I'd imagine it affected how Greyscale related to others in a social environment.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-06-11 23:39:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Tippia wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Gener is primarily determined by your sex.
No. Gender is primarily determined by societal expectations… unless/until the subject disagrees.

Quote:
Dude in the Miss USA pagent isn't a ******* woman!!!!!
Problem: “dude” and “woman” is a matter of sex, not gender.


Societal plague. That's all it is. lol. So many people want to be the nice guy. So many people don't want to tread on the feelings of others.

There is no room for logic in todays society. Fundimentalism is fine, and unquestionable exceptance as well.

God forbid that gender still have anything to do with your sex, or that we recognize that the same things that made our sex are also responcible for our gender.

We'll put it on the whoes of society. In this way when I want to dress up like a woman, I have reason to justify it. There's nothing wrong with me, it's how I was supposed to be born, it's my gender.

That's a bunch of bullshit. You're tesitcles predominately define you as a man, not society. I don't give a **** what you call yourself. You're a guy.


Christ. You got me making half a half serious post in a troll thread.
Torneach
Doomheim
#99 - 2012-06-11 23:45:01 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Tippia wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
I disagree. Gender is a trait allocated to you at conception.
Then you're not disagreeing — you're using the wrong word, because that's not what gender is.

Gender is a social construct that distinguishes between “feminine” and ”masculine” (and “queer” in all its incarnations). It is not allocated at you (although society will try its hardest to make it match your sex). It is not determined by genetics (that is sex — the distinction between “female” and “male”).

Quote:
The gender of the parakeet sitting on my desk is determined essentially the same way as yours.
You mean by observing its behaviour in a social context? How does an effeminate parakeet behave, by the way?


Fine wrong word.

I still think that the OP is making unreasonable claims and requests of CCP, however.



If there was only 2 ships you could fly in the entire of EVE, would you not ask for more?


Bad example, seeing as the gender/sex of your avatar has nothing to do with what you do in-game.

Unless you're a role-player...
Xenuria
#100 - 2012-06-11 23:45:05 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Gener is primarily determined by your sex.
No. Gender is primarily determined by societal expectations… unless/until the subject disagrees.

Quote:
Dude in the Miss USA pagent isn't a ******* woman!!!!!
Problem: “dude” and “woman” is a matter of sex, not gender.


Societal plague. That's all it is. lol. So many people want to be the nice guy. So many people don't want to tread on the feelings of others.

There is no room for logic in todays society. Fundimentalism is fine, and unquestionable exceptance as well.

God forbid that gender still have anything to do with your sex, or that we recognize that the same things that made our sex are also responcible for our gender.

We'll put it on the whoes of society. In this way when I want to dress up like a woman, I have reason to justify it. There's nothing wrong with me, it's how I was supposed to be born, it's my gender.

That's a bunch of bullshit. You're tesitcles predominately define you as a man, not society. I don't give a **** what you call yourself. You're a guy.


Christ. You got me making half a half serious post in a troll thread.



Do they have spell check in Goonwaffe, or does Mittani forbid the use of it?

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