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Suicide Gankers - The New Soon to be Carebears or Not?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#101 - 2012-06-11 21:21:56 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
About that "mining is risk free"... Big smile
…and it is if you manage your risks. Until you do, gankers and the like provide the risk it should have.

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Drop is easier to pronounce and it fits better to your posts.
It's also incorrect, but I suppose that seeing as how I make the penny drop for so many on topics where they were woefully misinformed, it is indeed quite appropriate.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#102 - 2012-06-11 21:26:02 UTC
the smug is strong with this one...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-06-11 21:28:44 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…and it is if you manage your risks. Until you do, gankers and the like provide the risk it should have.


In case you skipped it for some reason:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1459263#post1459263
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#104 - 2012-06-11 21:49:13 UTC
Holy crap son. Please stop posting the same topic over and over and over again, this is getting boring.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2012-06-11 21:55:27 UTC
No. You will read about suicide gankers and how local ruins EVE until you relent and remove them both, and you will like it.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#106 - 2012-06-11 22:06:23 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
No. You will read about suicide gankers and how local ruins EVE until you relent and remove them both, and you will like it.

Local ruins EVE is a fact, the WH people said so...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Chevere del'Alma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-06-12 09:31:36 UTC
Aldeskwatso wrote:
Based on the responses to this topic alone I guess most people on this forum as of now disagree because the act of suicide ganking alone does not condemn other accomplishments.


That isn't true, the people that get killed, get kill rights on the gankers. On top of that you get a sec status hit, which eventually means you can't fly through high sec safely.

BTW mining in null sec is more lukerative, and safer. I used to mine, and I did my first gank a few days ago. I even got 2 day old players to do it. To be honest ganking teaches new players how to play game. The easy of killing others, and getting killed is easily shown, and eve is ALL about PVP, from mining, to market trading, you are always competing against someone.

Why eve is great!

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2012-06-12 09:33:30 UTC
Chevere del'Alma wrote:
That isn't true, the people that get killed, get kill rights on the gankers.

Not if they're "clever" and mine with their drones out.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Khayyam
Doomheim
#109 - 2012-06-12 10:32:12 UTC
I just want to say to high-sec miners :

MINE IN COVETOR!

No gankers will attack you and what will you lost? around 10% of yield
How far it is from a 300M hulk?
And if you loose it, that's the cost of one hour of veldspar mining!
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2012-06-12 11:04:18 UTC
Excellent OP.

+1 LIKE for a good concise summary and very astute observation.

Definitely a lot more truthful than what the players advocating it would have others believe.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#111 - 2012-06-12 11:07:21 UTC
Suicide gankers I have to agree are like little girls with a spreadsheet mentality to EVE achievements. But moreso pathetic that they operate under broken bounty hunter mechanics which would be one obvious nominal risk element afforded to the criminal contigent outside of their spreadsheet calulations, if it was actually effective. So yes they obviously like it safe if they are resistant to seeing the BH system repaired so an interesting analogy to draw about gamer mentalities even if the definition is indifferent to the purposes.

Anyhow .....

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For PvP and like to encourage more of it? Or perhaps you are an industrialist with a specific focus in game not directly concerned with PvP skilling to be effective at your role and therefore ineffective to apply teeth in response to criminal activities?

Want to validate a potential Career path in ≡v≡ with new income potential that is ideally designed as simply a transferance of ISK from one pilot to another?

Actually like situations where ships shoot back and "really" improve your KB resume as opposed to simply suprising soft industrial targets?

You agree that pilots should adapt to challenging situations in ≡v≡ where acceptance of risk is an everyday seperator of those getting ahead on the curve, criminals included, to ensure the game evolves instead of being kept dumbed down?

Or simply want to make ≡v≡ less boring with adding more fun and challenging gameplay elements?

Would like to see CCP finally correct a long standing broken mechanic in the game which at best provides an exploit for the effected criminal party to profit further from and yet has been left in the game still?


Support: Bounty Hunting for CSM7.

CCP Design panel wrote:

"It's going to be awesome."

"It's absolutley on the list of things to do."

"We have a spaceships game, but you can't be han solo or boba fett, that's not clever."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_pLi1J9YrkM#t=1199s

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-06-12 11:10:10 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
So yes they obviously like it safe if they are resistant to seeing the BH system repaired

By all means, point out who's been "resistant to seeing the BH system repaired".

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#113 - 2012-06-12 11:15:04 UTC
Khayyam wrote:
I just want to say to high-sec miners :

MINE IN COVETOR!

No gankers will attack you and what will you lost? around 10% of yield
How far it is from a 300M hulk?
And if you loose it, that's the cost of one hour of veldspar mining!






You can also tank them vs a destroyer or two meaning most of them will pass you byBlink
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#114 - 2012-06-12 11:18:44 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Suicide gankers I have to agree are like little girls with a spreadsheet mentality to EVE achievements. But moreso pathetic that they operate under broken bounty hunter mechanics which would be one obvious nominal risk element afforded to the criminal contigent outside of their spreadsheet calulations, if it was actually effective. So yes they obviously like it safe if they are resistant to seeing the BH system repaired so an interesting analogy to draw about gamer mentalities even if the definition is indifferent to the purposes.




Very very few gankers dont want to see a good working BH system. My can flipping alt would love to have a good BH system in place as it means more victims for my iteron V.
RAP ACTION HERO
#115 - 2012-06-12 11:58:51 UTC
hey i am gonna post some magic psychology here, if i call them carebears they will stop ganking

vitoc erryday
Arcturis Achasse
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2012-06-17 19:29:10 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
hey i am gonna post some magic psychology here, if i call them carebears they will stop ganking



Genius!
Frederick Sanger
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#117 - 2012-06-17 19:35:28 UTC
Aldeskwatso wrote:

Would you agree that if miners adapted succesfully to the changes suicide gankers bring on in high sec that their arguments for calling them carebares are invalid and that if suicide gankers continue to engage in this low risk, low skill activity it makes them actually look like more of a carebear then their victims?

Nope.