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Only *2* gender choices - Bigotry in action?

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Aryndel Vyst
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2012-06-11 21:41:21 UTC
Maybe have a checkbox option for the sexual parts you can have? Then you could have both a penis and a vagina and go **** yourself.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-06-11 21:43:22 UTC
stupid troll post, but thought about it, yeah why don't they have the option to be a trans girl if they allready let girls be trans male with short hair boys clothes, so on. Whatever. Would be great for trolling, plus some avatars on here made for trolling allready look transexual, lol

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Dark EvE1
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-06-11 21:43:41 UTC
this is stupid, if you want to be a ******* tranny in a game then you need to get your head sorted. Yes I have an opinion

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-06-11 21:43:51 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
It is frankly amazing that in this, the year of our lord 2012, there are only 2 gender choices in EVE online. It would be ideal if there were separate sliding scales for both sex and gender, but given the horrific state of intolerance this game's character creator currently wallows in, I would settle for 2 sex choices and a sliding scale for gender. It would also be nice if NPC's would ask you which gendered pronouns you would like used (when you receive missions and such), or least refer to you as he/she/zhe/zhir/hir/hyr/etc depending on the position you chose on the gender scale.

Thoughts?

your loss for not voting Xenuria into the CSM

quoting from his campaign thread:
Xenuria wrote:
Te Tumatauenga wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
EVE is an heteronormative wasteland.

What steps would you - as a CSM - suggest to CCP to address LBGT issues?

I am VERY happy you asked this question.

In current day many people (myself included) refuse to subject themselves to hetero-normative gender stereotypes, so why should people in the future be any different?

*EVERY article of clothing or apparel to be useable by all genders.
*EVERY form of makeup or tattoo/piercing etc to be useable by all genders.
*Lore confined anatomical modulation ( if you are gallente you can have breasts as a male or the inverse but not as amarr because amarr would see that as a sin against god)
*Several sliders included in character creation and customization that alter levels of femininity and masculinity. So at any given time you can make your character look more butch or fem depending on how you feel that day. (It's the future you should be able to do that)

The above list is not exhaustive...


It seems that you're no significant improvement on CCP. Why do you insist on subscribing to the outdated concept of a gender binary to the exclusion of all trans*, genderqueer, non- and pan- and inter- sexed and other non-traditional minorities? Are you going to advocate replacing the gender option with a selection of sliders and null options to allow all people to choose a gender identity that fully reflects them?

I didn't think so. You make nice words but you're every bit as bigoted as those you would advise.



I do hope you are trolling. My changes would be anything but gender binary. I already mentioned that there would be several sliders so that everybody would be happy.

I feel I am a viable candidate because my Goals and Agendas are parallel with the goals of the majority as well as CCP. I do not agree with everything CCP has done but, by making the game more appealing to a wider population without sacrificing the enjoyment attained by the current population you in effect increase subs as well as current player satisfaction.

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Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#45 - 2012-06-11 21:44:41 UTC
I don't even
Torneach
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-06-11 21:49:09 UTC
WTF is "male privilege"?

Is that some sort of cloak-and-dagger term to imply that men are evil or something?
Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#47 - 2012-06-11 21:52:10 UTC
Torneach wrote:
WTF is "male privilege"?

Is that some sort of cloak-and-dagger term to imply that men are evil or something?


Feel free to educate yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_privilege
Torneach
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-06-11 21:54:47 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Torneach wrote:
WTF is "male privilege"?

Is that some sort of cloak-and-dagger term to imply that men are evil or something?


Feel free to educate yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_privilege


Oh, I was right then.

Carry on.
Unit757
North Point
#49 - 2012-06-11 21:55:26 UTC
I want to be a Lego man.
Xenuria
#50 - 2012-06-11 21:57:24 UTC
I am also deeply disappoint by lack of options in the character editor, you are pretty much forced into choosing a female base model to access the majority of the hairstyles and makeup options.

They should just make all hairs and makeup options available for all sex options. I also think they should add a Custom Sex option for those of us that want a ingame representation of ourselves that is more accurate.

Gender slider would not exist because it is a social construct....
However you CAN and SHOULD add a slider that alters the bone structure and base proportions so that you could be a male gallente with breasts, just like in the lore.

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George Whitebread
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2012-06-11 21:59:05 UTC
I think the time is ripe for a lock on this thread...

"I say what I like, and I like what I bloody well say" - George Whitebread
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#52 - 2012-06-11 22:00:54 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Feel free to educate yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_privilege
…and what you're suggesting isn't part of it since it's an equal-opportunity appropriation.
Copine Callmeknau
Callmeknau Holdings
#53 - 2012-06-11 22:07:45 UTC
I'll unsub unless CCP at least changes the selections to 'Male', 'Female', and 'Genderqueer'

There should be a rather awesome pic here
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-06-11 22:12:03 UTC
This is idiotic.
3/10.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#55 - 2012-06-11 22:19:40 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
This was done without any sliders : Freddy Mercury
What more do you want?


Except that isn't Freddie. It's Delegado Cero.

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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#56 - 2012-06-11 22:20:49 UTC
Also, as an actual transperson, I see this thread going places. (Down the crapper)

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-06-11 22:21:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
I'll unsub unless CCP at least changes the selections to 'Male', 'Female', and 'Genderqueer'

you have to distinguish clearly between gender and sex.

your choice of hairstyle, make-up, clothes, ... is a question of gender (masculine, feminine, ...)

various combinations of bodyparts determine your (biological) sex (male, female, ...)

apart from the discussion of whether "gender" is a useful concept at all, it is worth pointing out that equating gender with sex (demanding that gender always conforms to sex) is a pretty narrow-minded view in itself.

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#58 - 2012-06-11 22:24:46 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
This is idiotic.
3/10.

When you've been called idiotic by mastertrollguy it's time to lock the thread.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#59 - 2012-06-11 22:28:54 UTC
Thomas Hurt wrote:
Kijo Rikki wrote:
Interesting twist lumping jesus in with transgenders.

Also the proper term is 'gtst '


I was using post-modern humor to advance cultural sensitivity while at the same time, laying down some sick burns on faith-havers.



You failed on all counts. numpty.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Xenuria
#60 - 2012-06-11 22:29:34 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
I'll unsub unless CCP at least changes the selections to 'Male', 'Female', and 'Genderqueer'

you have to distinguish clearly between gender and sex.

your choice of hairstyle, make-up, clothes, ... is a question of gender (masculine, feminine, ...)

various combinations of bodyparts determine your (biological) sex (male, female, ...)

apart from the discussion of whether "gender" is a useful concept at all, it is worth pointing out that equating gender with sex (demanding that gender always conforms to sex) is a pretty narrow-minded view in itself.



Narrow-minded is a massive understatement.
If we tried to apply this strict binary logic to every single living thing with genitalia then we would be at a loss for explaining why some life forms reproduce the way they do.

When you reach a wall and can't figure something out, you expand your parameters of explanation and interpretation until you reach an answer that fits. This is how human understanding works.

Ignorance works in a different way, when faced with a wall or inability to figure out why something is happening or existing the way it is you keep trying to apply the exact same outdated logic and parameters of interpretation to it. Never actually solving anything ever. Circle Block slamming against square hole over and over and over again.




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