Market Discussions

You are a good alliance leader, but not a capitalist. A serious capitalist don't try to stockpile because such an investment gives no profit. Read this book instead of using hilarious paintings from China on Kugu.

You mean each amateur is able to declare his stupidity as sarcasm?

For example, here is some of the "sarcasm" that this forum is famous for.

He actually doesn't. A one-year stockpile of fuel runs about a billion isk, which is trivial except maybe to professional traders or :maket discussions: fags. To everybody else it's not even worth investing, because a 5% or 10% return on a billion isk is basically zero.


Seriousposting like a boss.

EDIT: Also, mining ice won't be worth more than mining ore in 0.0 until isotopes are worth at least 6-10 times what they were before.

Maybe i read it wrong but Nomads point was the possible 0.0 supply from blue ice belts in the DRF region. If Goons not have deal with the DRF the effect on the market will be swarted by DRF miners getting rich. Price won't rise and dropping soon even lower then before because of the oversupply.

Actually its highly irrational. The value of several months fuel/reactants is significant as opposed to the cost of setting up a new tower.

1 month of fuel/reactants can buy several new towers. Masively increasing your return on investment. You will tend to find them holding at most 1 month of fuel on hand, any more than that is highly inefficient for someone involved in this.

Would you care to elaborate your goals on this venture?

If it was targeted firstly for profit then I would agree oxygen isotopes were the best to hit as they compose as much smaller portion of the cost of the end product - buyers can easily eat up the increased price in oxy iso's, they won't be stopping production for this.

If it was targeted for 'lols' then sadly, you have gone about this in the wrong way. You should have targeted nitrogen isotopes as caldari towers are used much more frequently to produce carbides as you can fit two large reactors as opposed to one when running carbide reactions. Further to that nitrogen iso's make up a significant portion of the costs of carbides - which are used in the production of all t2 stuffs. As we have already seen significant rises in the price of carbides, coupled with this you could cripple t2 production within eve. Also, to make significant profits with carbides you have to cut your stockpiles much thinner than with other reactions. Also all the tears from research POS's in empire. The effects of hitting nitrogen isotopes would cause alot more word of mouth, compounding the effect.

our ice miners actually supply all that isk though

There is no long term gain in stability by holding huge stocks of fuel. The value of the end product is tied strongly to the current price of reactants/fuel. Technically holding large stocks exposes you to instability in the market as the cost of your reactants/fuel will not change but the value of them does. if the price of the end product rises, the inputs follow and if it lowers, the input lowers. If you buy in bulk you expose yourself to these changes in the market, however by running efficiently your exposure is much smaller.

As for convienience. It makes little difference each way. Running a worthwhile amount of reaction POS's requires several freighterloads of fuel/stuff each month, so you are not saving anything really in terms of hauling several runs together. And you would have to invest the time in hauling the initial stock you wish to hold. The upside of it is it gives you a little leeway in returning to jita, but really if you cant organise yourself a hauling run within 2 weeks you probably shouldn't be running reactions.

By holding many months of fuel you also reduce the returns to meager levels, better to just buy and copy capital bpos or anything equally as ******** like t2 bpos.

173bil

I had no idea that major alliances had such low incomes (well, actually I had an inkling when I read the chatlogs surrounding the fall of Atlas and their squabbling over a few hundred bil). Presumably this is a peace-time figure and goes down considerably with major combat operations?

Is the low number due to any special features of the Goon setup, such as low or non-existent tax rates, perhaps? Or is this pretty standard?

it only comes down to just over 10bill per day. That is not alot when all things are taken into consideration. Even going off turnover, think about how much there should be with the amount of space held ( r64's, renters etc ) then you have to consider corp taxes ( if they have included that ) and profits from capital ship sales to members etc etc.