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Indefinite Hulkageddon now including T1 Barges?
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Dave Stark
#21 - 2012-06-10 04:05:57 UTC
i think it's naive and stupid to think goons have nothing to do with mining.

some how i don't think they buy all their ships in jita.
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#22 - 2012-06-11 14:54:10 UTC
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:

If the demand for covetors increases due to increased covetor ganking than the demand will go up, regardless of whether it is hulks or covetors selling.
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that makes no sense, sorry.


IF Miners buy Covetors instead of Hulks now, producers there for will sell less hulks (and require less covetors), so the total number stays the same.

what your eventually implying is that just because there is one more ship type on the ganklist, the number of overall shipganks will increase too, wich is not the case imho.

BTW. according to the ingame charts the number of purchased covetors (Jita) kept going down for the last 3 month.


Maybe if you read my whole post instead of just the last line you would get it.

If covetors are now getting ganks as well as hulks than the means more targets. since those in covetors before where relitively safe due to no reward for ganking them. But since covetors and hulks are getting ganked more often due to extra rewards the increased number of targets by adding covetors to the traget list will result in a higher number of kills. This is not a matter of the same number of miners just choosing one ship or the other. There are many many miners that have always used covetors rather than hulks. You seem to be stuck on the thought that the every covetor pilot used to fly a hulk. This is not the case.

The total number of losses hulks + covetors will go up now that covetors have a bounty on them. This increase in total kills will result in an increase in the total number of ships needing replaced thus increasing demand.If the total number of pilots getting ganked was the same what you say would be true. But adding covetor pilots to the mix does increase the total number even if some of them used to fly hulks. Also pilot are more willing to risk covetors as they are cheaper to replace, so there should be far more covetor kills than there ever were hulk kills.
Cutout Man
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-06-11 16:46:21 UTC
So are they paying out for killing T1 barges or not?
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#24 - 2012-06-11 16:50:39 UTC
Cutout Man wrote:
So are they paying out for killing T1 barges or not?



At the moment, no.

The Mittani is still mulling over that decision. He hasn't (to my knowledge) issued any further statements on his final decision on the matter. For the time being, this thread is just a 'what if' discussion.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#25 - 2012-06-11 18:40:58 UTC
Mitanni’s stated goal in his Sins of a Solar Spymaster on Ten Ton Hammer in enacting the perma-Hulkageddon was to:

1) ‘encourage’ exhumer pilots to move to low/null sec space ‘where they belong’
2) Force exhumer pilots to learn how to fit well and not take the ‘safety’ of High Sec for granted
3) Weed out the stupid, ignorant, and just plain soft capsuleers

Even as an industrialist I can get behind all those reasons. However, if T1 mining barges were to be added to the perma-hulkageddon, then this would violate his intentions.

T1 ships cannot be tanked. Cannot. The best covetor I could tank using EFT was about 10k EHP (which is probably on the high side as EFT seems to overestimate the amount of EHP ships have). That couldn’t stand up to any amount of ganking, even with logi support, assuming someone would be willing to put a 150 million isk logi ship to protect ships worth 45 mill. I imagine retrievers are even worse off. While T1 pilots would probably love to HTFU, there’s nothing on these ships to harden. This is pure and simple gank for the sake of gank.

I’m not saying being a hypocritical prick is bad, but really? Does he have to be so predictable?

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus
Edward Khurelem
Khurelem Research and Development
#26 - 2012-06-11 18:58:37 UTC
*Yawn* Thanks I like having extra isk in my wallet Roll
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