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Most suitable ship for fastest DED run in 0.6-0.4

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Zeus C
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-06-11 13:21:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeus C
Hi all

I enjoy exploration and I frequently find myself running sites in 0.5-0.4 systems, which translates to DED complexes of 3/10 and 4/10 mostly.

In nine out of ten runs, as I am clearing the rooms leading to the final room with the (not-so-phat) loot, some random guy will warp in and steal everything, which means 30 minutes work for next to nothing.

Until CCP decides to do something about it, I would appreciate some advice on what ship and way fit will allow me to clear these rooms in the shortest time possible.

I currently run a T2-fit Hurricane (which I understand it is the maximum ship size that will allow me to wrap the gates of DED 3-4/10 complexes. I kill quickly, but the ship itself is very slow. A Navy Omen just stole everything from me earlier today, and by the time it took me to fly the 15 km distance to the gate, he had cleared the whole room.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

ZeusC
Keith Gavner
Nomura Industries
#2 - 2012-06-11 13:36:05 UTC
Nerf the navy omen?
Orlacc
#3 - 2012-06-11 15:20:37 UTC
MWD is great for exploration.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#4 - 2012-06-11 15:34:15 UTC
You know that just because you go to .5 systems, you're not more likely to get sites right?

Random is random and you're just as likely to find them in 1.0 systems.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-06-11 15:34:47 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
my best advice for you is to find a quiet place where there are no-----Edit-----stealing your loot.

Please be respectful of others.

Ensign Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons

I should buy an Ishtar.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#6 - 2012-06-11 15:35:08 UTC
Also, dualprop tengu is what you want.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#7 - 2012-06-11 15:36:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Daniel Plain wrote:
my best advice for you is to find a quiet place where there are no------Edit-----stealing your loot.


Thats extremely rude to call people-----Edit----- because they are better than you.

As far as I (and the game) is concerned, its not your loot until its in your cargo. And even then, it can be redistributed to the poor citizens of Eve via the destruction of your ship.

Please be respectful of others.

Ensign Tyrozan
ISD Communicty Communications Liaisons
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-11 15:43:24 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Liliana Rahl wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
my best advice for you is to find a quiet place where there are no-----Edit------stealing your loot.


Thats extremely rude to call people-----Edit----- because they are better than you.

As far as I (and the game) is concerned, its not your loot until its in your cargo. And even then, it can be redistributed to the poor citizens of Eve via the destruction of your ship.


show me where i called someone a-----Edit----- because he was better than me? maybe i was talking about north carolina, ever thought about that?

Please be respectful of others.

Ensign Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons

I should buy an Ishtar.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#9 - 2012-06-11 16:19:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
You implied people that "steal loot" are -----Edit-----.

Allow me to first address the stealing portion of this. Its not stealing, they are just better than you (they beat you to the loot; and I use the term "you" loosely; "you" represents the explorer who you think is being "stolen" from)

Now I'll address the-----Edit-----part. You either mean this as a derogatory term, i.e. like "man that guys a douchebag" or you mean to imply that these people are -----Edit-----.

I'm not sure but I don't believe there is a correlation between people that are better at plexing than you and -------Edit-----. If you believe there is, I believe this is a study that we should investigate further. We could then round up------Edit-----eve pilots and teach them how to plex. They would be very successful if this theory is correct.

Please be respectful of others.

Ensign Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-06-11 16:34:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
NO U

P.S.: i stand by my north carolina statement.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#11 - 2012-06-11 16:48:47 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Free -----Edit----- citizens of North Carolina

Ensign Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#12 - 2012-06-11 16:49:07 UTC
Also I accept your surrender.
Willie Horton
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-06-11 16:50:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Willie Horton
People "stealing" loot in DED complex will happen and you can't do nothing about it.Also finding system with low number of people will not make any difference.That is why your goal is any T3 strategic hull ( Tengu is mostly used).

I had that issue for a long time ,since I did DEDs in Drake and after clearing all T3 spawns and bb loot.

First I was furious ,even said bad stuff to them ,but now it is just part of game.Exploration is who gets to loot first ,so move on.This is mostly what happen to new players in exploration ,they simply are slow in their hulls.As I said I was pissed at first ,but later no,cause well no one is stopping me to get better ship.In your case was just bad luck ,and guy that found way how to profit with smaller ships.

There is enough DED sites so new one will spawn ,but if you want to lower chance to get with no loot than T3s all the way.
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#14 - 2012-06-11 17:33:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Zeus C wrote:
...Until CCP decides to do something about it...


Good thing they will not do anything about it Twisted

Reasons for loosing in complexes :
1. Using suboptimal ship
2. Not knowing about triggers
3. Not using tags
4. Not using MWD

If any of those reasons apply to you then it is you fault only. Use appropriate ship with mwd ( overheating when needed ). Learn the triggers and use tags.

Daniel Plain wrote:
my best advice for you is to find a quiet place where there are no -----Edit-----stealing your loot.


You should learn some manners sir

Ensign Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
Zeus C
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-06-11 18:04:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Stensson
Well, to all those who decided ------- Cut by ISD Stensson ------- instead of help out, I have nothing to say. Surely your family will be proud of you.

As it is, there is not much one can do to protect a DED site of which he or she is in the process of clearing room 4 of 5, when some one else decides to simply follow the gates and land in the last room taking the loot. If this isn't theft, then it is wrong then I don't know what it is, but I am not here to whine, not because I don't believe it will be fixed in the near future, ------- Cut by ISD Stensson -------. Or perhaps I'm the only idiot who does not spit on others people efforts and does not dare to touch anything that I have not won one way or another - it is a very lonely world after all so I've grown used to it.

The reason I am here is to ask for recommendations for a more efficient ship and perhaps also fit to be able to clear these sites faster and minimize my exposure to loot thieves. "Using suboptimal ship" is the reason why I'm here in the first place.

Please be respectful of others - ISD Stensson
Willie Horton
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-06-11 18:12:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Willie Horton
Well what you think is bad is not bad for others.So those players that make living like you described are part of normal game mechanics.I know this will sound vague but it is sand box game.

Every explorer had that issue like you if nothing once,that is learning curve.

About ship I will say again any T3 ( Loki for your race ) will do .Also use directional scan when you start scanning ,if you see T3 in area and probes on scan ,prepare for race.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#17 - 2012-06-11 18:27:41 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Zeus C wrote:
Well, to all those who decided to ***** instead of help out, I have nothing to say. Surely your family will be proud of you.

As it is, there is not much one can do to protect a DED site of which he or she is in the process of clearing room 4 of 5, when some one else decides to simply follow the gates and land in the last room taking the loot. If this isn't theft, then it is wrong then I don't know what it is, but I am not here to whine, not because I don't believe it will be fixed in the near future, but because the -----Edit-----, a representative of the majority player base that CCP installed one ******* at a time. Or perhaps I'm the only idiot who does not spit on others people efforts and does not dare to touch anything that I have not won one way or another - it is a very lonely world after all so I've grown used to it.

The reason I am here is to ask for recommendations for a more efficient ship and perhaps also fit to be able to clear these sites faster and minimize my exposure to loot thieves. "Using suboptimal ship" is the reason why I'm here in the first place.


cry more about how you want CCP to make instanced dungeons only you can access

maybe if you did the sites faster, people like me wouldn't be able to "steal" your loot
Zornia Estemaire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-06-11 18:29:37 UTC
There are people out there that I wouldn't use the word "***" to describe what they do. A better term for me is "low life". They are the same people in real life that line jump or as your waiting for a parking spot to open and everyone see's your waiting for the other car to pull out when someone from the other direction just zooms into that spot with a s**t eating smirk one thier face. Or a better way of describing them is, "they just weren't raised right". Personnally, when I scan down a site and upon entering I notice someone is already working it I turn around and go find another one. You can call me a fool or whatever else you may think but to my way of thinking its just plain wrong to take over someone site they found first. As Willie stated "There is enough DED sites so new one will spawn". So why take younger pilots hard earned sites when you can find your own much faster than the new pilots can. I realize its a sandbox or dog eat dog world out there but show a little compasion for the new explorers out there.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#19 - 2012-06-11 18:44:46 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Zornia Estemaire wrote:
There are people out there that I wouldn't use the word "***" to describe what they do. A better term for me is "low life". They are the same people in real life that line jump or as your waiting for a parking spot to open and everyone see's your waiting for the other car to pull out when someone from the other direction just zooms into that spot with a s**t eating smirk one thier face. Or a better way of describing them is, "they just weren't raised right". Personnally, when I scan down a site and upon entering I notice someone is already working it I turn around and go find another one. You can call me a fool or whatever else you may think but to my way of thinking its just plain wrong to take over someone site they found first. As Willie stated "There is enough DED sites so new one will spawn". So why take younger pilots hard earned sites when you can find your own much faster than the new pilots can. I realize its a sandbox or dog eat dog world out there but show a little compasion for the new explorers out there.


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Please be respectful for others.
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#20 - 2012-06-11 18:45:42 UTC
Zeus C wrote:

As it is, there is not much one can do to protect a DED site


Exploration sites are available to anyone who can find them. They are not yours just because you found them first. The game itself is a competitive environment. Why should exploration sites be any different?
By you way of thinking, loosing anything is wrong because you had to work for it. Loosing ship would be no different than loosing a site. In both cases you had to work for it ( no there is no real difference here ). I don't know about you but I would not play this game any longer if that was the case.

Zeus C wrote:

it will be fixed in the near future


It wont be fixed because it is not broken in the first place.

Zeus C wrote:

I have not won one way or another


Well actually it is one of the ways of winning a site.



As far as the ships goes - using T3's for hisec exploration is a way to go. They will not make you 100% sure that you will get to the loot every time though. Fitting MWD is first thing, training thermodynamics so you can overheat it is another. Tractor beam is also nice to have ( helps in certain scenarios ).

You can also move to another space. Caldari and Angel space are very competitive. Move to Gallente/Amarr where the competition is much lower.

In the end the ratio of contested/uncontested sites if about 5/95 for me. Is that a big deal?
Even if it is closer to 20/80 for you it is still negligible ( that was my ratio when I was a noob ).
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