Skill Discussions

Am I the only one who finds it weird that the prerequisites for this are:
- Refinery Efficiency V
- Refining V
- Metallurgy V

Generally speaking people who would benefit most from Scrapmetal Processing are people who have access to large quantities of spare modules and Metal Scraps. These people are mission runners and general ratters. Hovewer to even get to the skill you need to spend 42 days training Refining, Refinery Efficiency and Metallurgy, all of which will be completely useless to a mission runner, and that's not including the training time for Scrapmetal Processing itself which has a x5 multiplier.

At the other end of the spectrum are the miners - who will usually have Refining and Refinery Effficiency both at V, and thus are only a step away from Scrapmetal Processing. Hovewer the miners mine minerals, not modules or Scrap Metal, so the skill is worthless to them.

So in the end people who have easy access to the skill don't want it and people who want it are blocked by very high requirements in skills that will be largely worthless to them.

Fail Reply. You do realize that the reason that many people play MMOs solo is because they cannot stand other people, but do not have a comprehensive, in-depth single player game to play such as this, right?

That said, I can kind of see why you need it, and at the same time, since Scrapmetal Processing has no bearing on metal scraps, but rather applies to modules, I'm not 100% sure that metallurgy should be a requisite for refining. Creating, definitely. I don't know, the whole thing feels like a relic from bygone days.

Look at changes to looting; no more drone poo, no more meta-0 modules dropping in missions. Metal scraps refine to pitiful amounts of trit.

Scrap metal reprocessing does seem 'overpriced'.

I was under the impression that neither Refining nor Refinery Efficiency affected ships/modules/Scrap Metal refining efficiency.

With the base 37.5% refining efficiency you do need Scrapmetal Processing V, and even that will not be perfect in an NPC station(0.5 + 0.375 * 1.25 = 0.96875)

This is incorrect.

Scrap Metal Processing is a material specialization, just like all the others.

Yield (before tax) = Facilities Base + Reprocessing Base * (1 + Refining * 0.02) * (1 + Refinery Efficiency * 0.04) * (1 + Material Specialization * 0.05) * (1 + Refining Implant Percent / 100)

Facilities Base: Depends on the station
Reprocessing Base: 37.5% for NPC stations and outposts


There are two ways to get 100% yield on reprocessing:

1. NPC station with 50% Reprocessing Facilities + 6.67 standing with the station owner + Refining 5 + Refinery Efficiency 5 + Zainou 'Beancounter' Refining RX-802 Implant (2%)

2. NPC station with 50% Reprocessing Facilities + 6.67 standing with the station owner + Refining 5 + Refinery Efficiency 5 + Metallurgy 5 + Scrap Metal Processing 1

Option 1 allows you to reprocess anything without additional skills, though it does waste an implant slot.

Option 2 allows you to reprocess anything by training level 1 material skills, which you will already have all the prerequisites (ice processing is the exception as it also requires Science 5 + Hydromagnetics 4).

That assumes you always have a 50% base refine station.

Cap/Supercap builders do not always have that at their destination.

The fact that perfect refining is not something that can be done by everyone is a good thing...it rewards those who take the time to train it.

If you train up perfect refining just for your own purposes (refining your own mined ore, refining your own mission loot) you are wasting your skillpoints.