EVE General Discussion

We all know they are around. A lot hate their guts while others celebrate the bigger picture they bring to the game. If you are against them or not doesn't matter. It's a legitimate enterprise within the sandbox that is Eve and simply something to deal with as it occurs.

Something does astonish me tho. Pro gankers or those who engage in it have this air around them that they view themselves as being better then their victims. Specifically about their knowledge and experience about the game. But when you look at some of the facts about suicide ganking it's just not all that impressive.

Miners (Carebears, people who mainly live in highsec) are being prosecuted for not taking any risks in the game. Making themselves easy targets by ignoring PvP altogether and not knowing or taking the needed precautions to avoid getting popped while mining etc. They don't venture into more riskier undertakings and avoid low, wormholes and null sec almost as a religion.

I think these actions (or lack of them) by miners contribute the biggest part to the "succes" that suicide gankers have. It's actually not the eledged skill that suicide gankers claim to have that contributes the biggest part to their succes but rather the lack of skill and adaptability that miners had.

These days the landscape miners have to immerse themselves into is largely made different by suicide gankers efforts. As a result it takes far more skill to mine succesfully now, then to engage in suicide ganking.

I'm not against suicide ganking at all, dont get me wrong on that. But it just seems to me that anyone engaging in it has taken the place of their victims in being the new Carebears of New Eden.

Suicide ganking is a low skill and low risk trade, takes place in high sec, most are alts making it even less risky. While mining takes more skill training, is riskier these days, takes more experience to pull off and you need to be far more adaptable.

So what astonishes me is that even tho it's FAR more easy to engage in suicide ganking, less risky and all of the above. How can you continue to justify and defend your so called experience and superior knowledge towards "Carebares" by engaging is such almost pathetic strategies to feel better about yourself?

If suicide gankers feel so strongly towards highsec carebears why don't you take more risks? To me all your efforts have only woken up most miners and they have started to adapt. Which in my opinion needed to be done. But the way it's been done only makes suicide gankers look like the new Carebears of the game and has revealed they aren't much different or better then they let off to be.

Would you agree that if miners adapted succesfully to the changes suicide gankers bring on in high sec that their arguments for calling them carebares are invalid and that if suicide gankers continue to engage in this low risk, low skill activity it makes them actually look like more of a carebear then their victims?

I think so.

Edit,
After reading some of the opinions on this, people are as devided on the subject as they are on their opinions about Suicide Gankers in general. Based on the responses to this topic alone I guess most people on this forum as of now disagree because the act of suicide ganking alone does not condemn other accomplishments. I still think it does to some extent tho. On the act of suicide ganking alone it does make them a carebare since it's easy, low risk and they aren't prone to increasing the ante when a situation calls for it but rather move on for an easier pop.

Doesn't apply here. Learn how to read mister!

Has anyone really alleged the opposite?

Same here: is anyone actually doing this?

No, because then it would no longer be a low-risk, low-skill activity.

I don't think you understand what a carebear is.

I think a lot of them do actually. How do you account for going in with alts losing ships that are basically worthless to them and as a fact are?

My take: the Circus is trying to take over the Town.

Even Tigers take a break from the hunt occasionally....you know.....to get some SUN.

The disruption of Industrial Processes towards a focus of constant preparation has turned the MMO with the most creative potential into a boring defensive exercise that is already feeling old and tired.

The EVE Community Page Server Graph illustrates this as does the Daily Average Graph at EVE-Offline.

In the world of online gaming, there are many other Garden Parties happening. Time to go and mix and mingle. Toodles.

OP that is a rather long post just to call someone a name.

Gankers already have a name that depict what they do.
So do Miners, mission runners, Traders etc etc etc.

Carebear isn't a name and says nothing.
Just like calling someone a PvP'r in this game.

They are meaningless as they are subject to interpretation and can cover a large segment of unrelated players.
Carebear and PvP'r can be considered derogatory and a complementary depending on who you are speaking too.

So whatever...

No I don't think that. But your KB and whatever kills you made solo etc or in a small gang don't do a lot of justice to the skills you have to be able to do that by reverting to something as easy and low risk as suicide ganking carebears for being carebears.

I think you're thinking more of it then it actually is. Which is a common trait among people who engage in it. Just takes a couple of days to skill up for it. To be honest a 10 day old noob engaging in it is a GD hero compared to some skilled null sec player using alts.

Actually, you're right, risk implies there's a chance of getting out of it without losing their ship. What I meant to say is it's a certainty.

No, it takes a fair bit longer than that.

No. It's someone who refuses to even risk that.