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What's with the Scimitar's lackluster powergrid?

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Canis Minoris
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-06-11 11:29:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Canis Minoris
So the Scimitar seems a bit... terrible when it comes to powergrid amount compared to its counterparts.

Assume Engineering lvl V. The basilisk, guardian & oneiros can all fit a full rack of large non-T2 reps/shield transfers and still have PG to spare for an afterburner.
The scimitar, after fitting 4 large T1 shield transfers does not have enough powergrid to support an AB and fittings in the rest of its slots without a powergrid mod.

Not only that but it's direct armor counterpart; the oneiros has enough PG and CPU to fit 4 large T2 reps, a T2 AB and a 800mm plate to boot.

Fair enough, one has to look at the whole package of the ship before directly comparing one race's ship stat to another - the Scimi is the fastest logi, has the highest scan resolution and an absurdly low sig radius for a cruiser but these advantages alone don't seem to outweigh the underpowered powergrid.

Shouldn't the Scimitar deserve at least a small base increase of 20-30 units to its powergrid? Or does my arguement suck and I should uninstall?
Otebski
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-06-11 11:35:29 UTC
Its hard to find justification for boosting a most commonly used logi.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-06-11 11:38:20 UTC
Otebski wrote:
Its hard to find justification for boosting a most commonly used logi.


This

Not only the most used but the most versatile logi in the game, small gang camping to roaming gang or fleet, it's Eve shaman Lol

brb

Canis Minoris
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-06-11 11:47:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Canis Minoris
Yes but wasn't the Scimitar bound to be the most popularly used logistics ship because of it's high speed, agility and sig res regardless whether or not its base powergrid was 550 or even 575?
I doubt there would be any complaints or calls for a nerf today if its PG originally had 25 units more/the capacity to fit an afterburner and 4 large reps.

Popular use because of popular tactics shouldn't overshadow a powergrid fitting defficiency (well at least i think it is one, was hoping I'd be correct to some extent so far.)
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-06-11 12:04:29 UTC
Canis Minoris wrote:
Yes but wasn't the Scimitar bound to be the most popularly used logistics ship because of it's high speed, agility and sig res regardless whether or not its base powergrid was 550 or even 575?
I doubt there would be any complaints or calls for a nerf today if its PG originally had 25 units more/the capacity to fit an afterburner and 4 large reps.

Popular use because of popular tactics shouldn't overshadow a powergrid fitting defficiency (well at least i think it is one, was hoping I'd be correct to some extent so far.)



Sry but actually a decently fitted Scimi and skilled pilot with +3/-3 % pg/cap use/rep amount can perfectly fit his ship for the role and those implants are dirty cheap, it's the trade off for the highest mobility/speed and lower signature of all logistics.

brb

Noisrevbus
#6 - 2012-06-11 12:54:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Noisrevbus
Another thing that should be noted is that all of the other ships have their shortcomming.

If you compare it to the Oneiros for example, it may have the grid but lack the capacitor to run the reps, assuming a similar setup meant to be played in the same way.

There will be differing oppinions about this, i know there are injected setups and people using them differently (which is all fair and fine), but in my eyes both the standalone Logis should be run with 3 reps (once again, assuming they are meant to be played in the same way; as margin-providers in a mitigation oriented gang). The best use i can see in an Oneiros is a 1600mm plated, DP setup with 3 reps for a distanced armor gang. Any other situation and i'd probably run a Guardian.

The same goes for the Scimi, it was never meant for the heavy 4-rep role, if Scimis could reliably fit 4 reps, stay stable and maintain a decent tank the Basi would be pointless.

Today, it's actually reasonably well balanced. No point in screwing with balance.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#7 - 2012-06-11 13:10:46 UTC
The scimi isn't the best for pure rep. For that you use the guardian.

The fast it outruns most frigates though is why people pick it. Means most cruisers/BC's can't touch it. being able to rep with 2large and 2med reppers is better than being dead with 4 large equipped.
Liam Mirren
#8 - 2012-06-11 13:18:44 UTC
Op wants to have it all and then some, not happening.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#9 - 2012-06-11 15:00:32 UTC
Canis Minoris wrote:
Or does my arguement suck and I should uninstall?


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#10 - 2012-06-11 16:47:19 UTC
Canis Minoris wrote:
Yes but wasn't the Scimitar bound to be the most popularly used logistics ship because of it's high speed, agility and sig res regardless whether or not its base powergrid was 550 or even 575?
I doubt there would be any complaints or calls for a nerf today if its PG originally had 25 units more/the capacity to fit an afterburner and 4 large reps.

Popular use because of popular tactics shouldn't overshadow a powergrid fitting defficiency (well at least i think it is one, was hoping I'd be correct to some extent so far.)


It's current popularity nonetheless means this is simply a bad idea. Ideas born out of convenience usually are.

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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#11 - 2012-06-11 17:33:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
The oneiros is equally hard to fit, and the basilisk and guardian aren't much better. It's part of flying a logi ship. They're actually fairly nicely balanced atm.

IF there was a change to the scimi, I'd say give it 50 drone bandwidth and bay space like the oni, instead of 45. Having to use a light drone instead of a 5th medium is annoying.

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Mira Lynne
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-06-11 17:36:30 UTC
Canis Minoris wrote:
The basilisk can fit a full rack of large non-T2 shield transfers and still have PG to spare for an afterburner.

Untrue. My Basi with Meta 4 Shield and Energy Trasnfers needs an ACR. With T2 Transfers it also needs a Reactor Controll II

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-06-11 18:10:27 UTC
Cap stable is highly overrated.

In big fleets you rarely need to run all four reppers anyway. If you do for any amount of time you are likely losing the fight.

Basis flat can't keep up with a lot of fleet comps, and then trying to keep a cap chain running with Tengus burning around at 2100m/s ...challenging.,


Basically, stop being lazy, and don't perma-run the reppers keep the FC, anchor and the last two primaries locked and hang loose. Its not rocket surgery.

......just need to give up the idea of a 4 repper scimi being cap stable, you "can" but its going to either have an afterburner, or have no tank.

Fast/reppers/tank/cap stable choose two basically.
Canis Minoris
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-06-11 23:51:27 UTC
Mira Lynne wrote:
Canis Minoris wrote:
The basilisk can fit a full rack of large non-T2 shield transfers and still have PG to spare for an afterburner.

Untrue. My Basi with Meta 4 Shield and Energy Trasnfers needs an ACR. With T2 Transfers it also needs a Reactor Controll II


You are doing something wrong then, my basilisk can completely fill the highs with any Meta lvl 4 Large shield/energy transfers and still have enough powergrid for a T2 afterburner without the need for any powergrid rig, module or implant.
You probably skipped the part where I state it is assumed the Engineering skill is at lvl V or you neglected to mention you have some other module fitted besides an AB or repper that takes up more than 1 pg.

Anyway, I guess I relent this idea for the scimi. Anyone have a good roam gang fit?
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#15 - 2012-06-12 02:18:49 UTC
I'm not seeing anything wrong with the Scimitar. Sure, it takes some fitting mods, but you can make a pretty sweet fit for it without too much trouble. I've found a fit like this works well for many purposes. I have used a fit like it for Incursions and fleet combat. It is cap stable with a pair of 3% implants or you can downgrade to a Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II instead of the Kinetic Deflection Field II. With the Scimitar, there is more than one way to skin the cat.

[Scimitar, Scimitar]
Reactor Control Unit II
Power Diagnostic System II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


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School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-06-12 06:04:53 UTC
Lol at complaining arguably the best logi boat in the game.

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