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My "co-main" is approaching SP 60mn., and it's just getting downright ludicrous.

Try 110m sp :P

Your argument is so well thought out and compelling.

A sink that is moved to something else like NPC job slots - so this is a moot point


These players will fly more often, risking and losing more ships. This is a good thing. You calling it arcade pvp is rather funny though. You view more pvp as bad, I view it as good. So there we have it.


This argument is simply asinine. There are young players making an absolute **** ton of ISK compared to 9-10 year old vets. Age in EVE has little bearing on what you can make if you put forth effort.


*****, please.

There are more and more older players that are having to upgrade their clone to the 30 million ISK Tau and up. That is more than a T2 frigate and most definitely more than a T1 frigate, cruiser, destroyer and knocking on the door step of a battlecruiser.

Get on my level.

Ya know, something came to me when I started readin this. What if there were some kind of life insurance policy you could put on yourself monthly. It would pay out like ship insurance, so say it would cost about 30% of what a clone costs. So a 100 mil clone would requite you to pay a extra 30 mil or so for insurance and if you die in that month, you get a free or majorly discounted clone. After you die, you'd have to pay another 30 mil for another life insurance plan. That way if you do a lot of that fightin you'd get cheaper clones. It would be a system built mainly for people who see themselves fighting a lot seeing that someone who dosent fight a lot would probably eat the 100 mil cost because there would be a chance they wouldn't die a whole lot and it wouldn't be worth it.

Sounds like the ship insurance we have now, which is kinda junk in my opinion.

True, but some skills allow T2 variants that greatly enhance player capabilities. From personal point of view I've noticed that increased clone costs are usually scaled with accordance of my ISK making capabilities.

I also employ a different approach to the cost of buying a clone - i buy them knowing that there will be time, when I will loose them. And therefore it is not a matter of when and how often but more in a matter of how.

Right now i fly inside a Fabergé egg that I've spent approx 1,6 bill isk. Will i run from pvp? No. Will I dive into hornet's nest yelling "Leeroy!" Probably no as well. And I do not think that is a decline of PvP. This is Eve and not WoW or any other game, it's main selling point isn't the pvp, it's main selling point is the sandbox. And sandbox games are different from other games, for they cause players to choose real-life choices and not a game-like ones.

That is why we have corporate espionage and metagaming, that is why we have scouts and recons.

Frankly all associated costs can hurt a lot, but saying that pvp will be better without them is also not true. Yes, perhaps there will be more of if but it wont be the same. Right now I will do my very best to save my pod, even if I switch to my cheap fleet version. Will I care as much if the destruction of my pod will cost me nothing? Not likely.

That is why the real pvp happens here and not on test server - because here it matters; it matters if you loose your ship, it matters if you loose your pod.

You know I was just thinking that high skilled veteran players don't have enough advantages over low-skilled newbs. This would help widen the gap nicely.

Naw...

A couple weeks ago I was having a discussion with a few others about changes - one thing that was brought up was ships + pods -- where pods now have the value of implants shown.

What we were discussing, and was to be put together and forwarded to the CSM, is about fleshing that out more:

Insurance costs & payouts need to be added/removed from kill/loss mails. Along with ... med-clone costs and such. If not covered, include *THAT* info. (for the PvP person who lands, jumps in a ship and rushes out without remembering to update their med clone).

Your suggestion... I have no thoughts on it in either direction but I figured the above might carry some meaning for you.

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As for the person you are replying to:

Vets aren't much different than many other players. Some have 5+ alts with a batch doing semi-passive income, etc. Others are running far thinner on their income work/efforts to beef up their banks and invest a lot more time in actually playing portions of the game that put them at risk.

The distinction between a 1 year old chars earnings potential and a 3 year old chars is fairly trivial yet the isk costs just keep growing. "Diminishing returns" as skills take longer and longer to squeeze out those final points of optimization.

Beyond 3 years old, the differences between 2 combat focused chars is who chooses what to fly - one will have more options but that's about it. I'm pretty much there now and I haven't quite hit that 3 year mark.

So if "char based" comparison of earnings potential isn't continuing to rise, why should clone costs keep going up?

Personally I don't care either way but I do recognize the limits.

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Decreaseing the cost would put more vets in smaller ships.