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Mara Deathstroke
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-06-10 19:19:40 UTC
I was looking into constructing a carrier to save on purchase costs. After running the numbers it looks like it is cheaper to just buy new?

Is this due to the high mineral prices and, as such, will the carriers be increasing in price anytime soon?

My example is Chimera:

Mineral costs: 1,189,003,247
BPC: 30,000,000
Total: 1.219bil

They can be bought for 1.1bil...
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-06-10 19:41:49 UTC
Yeah, it's because the mineral markets have been all over the place lately. I don't expect the prices to go down any time soon, since they have been trending down lately. Cheaper stuff might still be on the market from before the mineral peak. Keep in mind that, when it comes to cap production, the market for them is always lagging a bit behind the actual mineral prices.
Mishraile Viliana
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-06-10 20:40:13 UTC
You are looking at unresearched blueprints. If you would get your hands on a researched blueprint you can save upto 10% on the cost and possibly more if you use researched blueprints to produce your own parts. That same chimera that costs you 1.2 billion to build will probably cost a commited industrialist closer to 900million to build. This doesn't leave them with the best margin, but will still get them a nice monthly profit.
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#4 - 2012-06-10 22:12:51 UTC
Mishraile Viliana wrote:
You are looking at unresearched blueprints. If you would get your hands on a researched blueprint you can save upto 10% on the cost and possibly more if you use researched blueprints to produce your own parts. That same chimera that costs you 1.2 billion to build will probably cost a commited industrialist closer to 900million to build. This doesn't leave them with the best margin, but will still get them a nice monthly profit.



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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
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#5 - 2012-06-11 00:09:20 UTC
I get 950mil with ME 2 and decently researched cap component bps. You can get a chimera BPC with ME 2 in Jita for 20mil.

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Vindaloo Dhansak
Los Rastrojos
#6 - 2012-06-11 00:21:05 UTC
If you want one carrier for personal use, it will pretty much always be cheaper to just buy it from a seller.

Setting up your own carrier building industry is a different story altogether; with decently researched blueprints there's definitely profit to be had, even after the mineral spike.
Mara Deathstroke
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-06-11 08:19:03 UTC
I had taken my figures from EveMon rather than look at the BPC!

Lesson learned - it is definitely cheaper to build so I guess a capital construction programme may yet be worthwhile...
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#8 - 2012-06-11 08:36:31 UTC
Mara Deathstroke wrote:
I was looking into constructing a carrier to save on purchase costs. After running the numbers it looks like it is cheaper to just buy new?

Is this due to the high mineral prices and, as such, will the carriers be increasing in price anytime soon?

My example is Chimera:

Mineral costs: 1,189,003,247
BPC: 30,000,000
Total: 1.219bil

They can be bought for 1.1bil...


Going into capital ship construction is a Major endeavor which usually warrants no less the 15B isk investment into blueprints, research, minerals skill training and other misc losses/costs (this was my estimate when mineral prices where about half of what they are right now)

initial zero to startup is about 3 months of preparation.

In a nutshell, its better to buy the BPC's if you want the experience and save maybe a little bit in case the carriers in your area are a bit costly.
but the fastest and probably best thing to do is head over to Forge or Domain regions and get one from there.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-06-11 12:54:46 UTC
Mara Deathstroke wrote:
I was looking into constructing a carrier to save on purchase costs. After running the numbers it looks like it is cheaper to just buy new?

Is this due to the high mineral prices and, as such, will the carriers be increasing in price anytime soon?

My example is Chimera:

Mineral costs: 1,189,003,247
BPC: 30,000,000
Total: 1.219bil

They can be bought for 1.1bil...

It depends how you buy your minerals and how you sell your ship.
Last time I calculated it, I could pay off BPOs or carrier itself and all related components by building only 60 carriers.
Well, the problem is, I don't have iskies for BPOs... sucks to be me! Lol

Ah, and please take into consideration what ship are you building and how often it is used. I don't think that Chimera is a good choice for a carrier builder P

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Society of lost Souls
#10 - 2012-06-11 15:04:45 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Mara Deathstroke wrote:
I was looking into constructing a carrier to save on purchase costs. After running the numbers it looks like it is cheaper to just buy new?

Is this due to the high mineral prices and, as such, will the carriers be increasing in price anytime soon?

My example is Chimera:

Mineral costs: 1,189,003,247
BPC: 30,000,000
Total: 1.219bil

They can be bought for 1.1bil...

It depends how you buy your minerals and how you sell your ship.
Last time I calculated it, I could pay off BPOs or carrier itself and all related components by building only 60 carriers.
Well, the problem is, I don't have iskies for BPOs... sucks to be me! Lol

Ah, and please take into consideration what ship are you building and how often it is used. I don't think that Chimera is a good choice for a carrier builder P


You do not ever need to pay off the cost of the BPO's as when you are done you can almost always sell them for what you have into them.