EVE General Discussion

Not at all.

While what you say may define a small group, actual trolling needs talent and IQ to pull off. What our beloved OP is doing is similar to standing naked in the street corner shouting at the top of his lungs that he is gonna stop drinking milk because it doesn't come in bacon flavour.

It might make everyone notice him and he might feel satisfied but in reality its idiotic and a bit sad.

Dust already won.
It's the first MMO to effectively merge a PC and a console MMO.

Oh my God, you're still frakking here? Unsub already!!!!

What I wouldn't give to return NickyYo to his natural habit, USA.

I only play PC titles. So if it is going to fail no big deal. I will never play it.

Say what?

Worldwide sales figures

Wii – 95.85 million as of 31 March 2012
Xbox 360 – 65.8 million as of 12 January 2012
PlayStation 3 – 63.9 million as of 31 March 2012

United States sales figures

Wii – 30 million as of 10 August 2010
Xbox 360 – 18.6 million as of 31 December 2009
PlayStation 3 - nearly 12 million as of 14 April 2010

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars

So, you do not care if it does fail, regardless?

The quantity of revenue spent on development of Dust and it's infrastructure does not concern you? Revenue that could have been re-invested back into New Eden. Revenue that cannot be recouped if Dust fails. Revenue that retrospectively may be revenue which was used against CCP, by CCP, in an attempt to keep Dust alive when it was doomed from the start?

You don't care about any of that?

The impact of Dust failing will be significant, and may even end CCP's ability to trade as an organisation, not before massive layoffs and lots of marketing expediture to promote the antithesis of that outward perception.

People who once had money, get into more debt by 'faking' the money they have; they still go to the exclusive golf club, still drive around in a fancy car (hired) and buy rounds for people so everyone knows they got cash...when they don't.

If Dust fails, I suspect CCP will not tell anyone and will say everything is going according to plan and that the quantity of people playing Dust is inline with expectations and blah-de-blah.

Even the figures for EVE have never been made public, and CCP will tell you the amount of accounts there are, but will not tell you the following:

a) How many PEOPLE have accounts
b) How many accounts are 'active' within the last 30 days
c) Average log in times, broken down by frequency of login
d) Number of NEW subscribers per month
e) Number of people cancelling within the trial period
f) Marketing cost per new subscriber
g) Development cost per new subscriber

In addition to this - accounts cannot be deleted by players...I wonder why. Does this mean that Hippo King is still classed as an account? What about perma-banned accounts? What about people who had an account, then were hired by CCP, and created another 'dev' account - is their old account still in the CCP figures for accounts? Even though it doesn't exist, or shouldn't, and should be deleted?

Y'see, CCP have these figures and we don't, so because we fly blind, we have to make assumptions about whether New Eden is in good hands and that our monthly expenditure into New Eden is not wasted, in that the investment of time and money will not disappear due to poor management.

In other words, if CCP make a huge boo-boo and screw up Dust, at what point do they walk away and go sit at the table with humble pie? A year? 2 years? After which time they would have 'kept up appearances' and pumped more dough into Dust...which again could have been money which could have been apportioned to New Eden/EVE.

All I know is that on a weekend there are siro 50K characters actively playing EVE, that's a small number; that's a knee-jerk number; that's a transitory number - it ain't no WoW number like 10 mill, is it? And yet...

CCP seem to think they are a global player...I think Dust will challenge that introspection.

So far all Dust has done is anger people for a few prime reasons:

1) Not on PC, the platform which EVE is on (kinda makes you wonder why they didn't release EVE for PS3 - apparently a PS3 can use a mouse and keyboard, and has TCP/IP...)
2) No one asked for it, but did ask for 'fighting in stations' as part of Ambulation.

Using my old analogy on this:

New Eden at one point felt like an exclusive club which we were proudly members of, but the owner (in true George Lucas style) decided the club could be better, and kept adding new things to the club. Like a pool table, juke box, poker table, Karaoke machine, comedy night...a 'second home' feel to it and over time, the new things which were added began to fail. The pool table was slanted, the music in the juke box is out of date now, no one uses the karaoke machine and the comedy nite has the lowest turn out all week.

The problem is that whilst the owner sees all the other clubs on Main Street with the funky neon signs and hundreds of attendees paying silly prices for silly drinks with silly names - the people in his club are happy and content to NOT be on main street.

We like it like that; we like being down a small side-street which doesn't attract the 'regular' crowds and are more than content that those people will walk straight past and not give it a second glance, and be drawn to the shiny purdy lights of main street.

But the owner ain't happy, so regardless of whether we like it or not, he is going to break down one of the walls of the club and link it into a new club which we cannot enter, and the people who go there cannot do likewise - yet we can both hear and see each other, for some reason. And he's gonna put a neon sign outside.

All we can surmise from this is that the owners do not care about its player-base and want more money.

They cannot get more money from EVE, because they hit an influx plateau (cost of getting a new subscriber became greater than cost of retaining new subscriber) and are running out of ways to add content, designed to retain/maintain existing subscription levels.

Therefore, the only way to get more money was to create a new game - when ironically they have a great game already with a dedicated userbase, willing to create spreadsheets on the game, make (extensive) guides, videos for Youtube, turn up to events, help out new players, write fiction and dedicate time to improving the cannon, artwork, design new ships, run alliances with thousands of players.

I'm sorry CCP, I really am truly and genuinely sorry, that this is NOT enough for you...and that your egotistical and materialistic needs outweigh your logical reasoning to such levels that you feel the need to risk everything.

If Dust does fail, you have yourself to blame and we will find another club.

AK

Nope I do not care about any of your issues. I like EVE but I am not dependant upon CCP for my entertainment.
I do not like console games. But almost every game developer thinks they are gold. It is like build it and they will come.
Heck you do not even have to have any game play really just some flashy graphics and a good marketing scheme and away you go.

Game play went out the window when mass marketing console games became the rage.
I have never seen a console only game worth playing. But somehow they have a huge following.
I kinda think CCP could screw it up totally and still make far more money with Dust than they do with EVE.
That would upset me because then you know where they would put their time and effort and it would not be EVE.

Actually I think EVE is screwed either way. If Dust does good or bad EVE takes a hit either way.
And EVE is all I care about.

You are either deliberately pretending to be a fool to troll (which I wouldn't be surprised by in the least) or you really are borderline retarded.

After E3 I can't see Consoles surviving unless your into Fitness games and Like Jumping around your Livingroom ....