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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#21 - 2012-06-10 23:15:37 UTC
Danfen Fenix wrote:
Problem I see with it, currently, is that while some places like Jita will be overcrowded...most others will be completely empty. Why waste all those resources developing it, when the majority of players would only use it in a very small amount of systems (As they'll be the only places that it's worth it for players, due to population amounts in systems).

It's a great idea sure, and one I would love to see eventually. I just can not see it's worth in game currently.


Actually the idea was that most stations would have only the bare minimum of stuff, and extras like bars and shops would be player run. So they would only pop up where there was business to sustain them.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Marduk Nibiru
Chaos Delivery Systems
#22 - 2012-06-10 23:20:18 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:

You realise that the internet has many places where you can ogle women who are wearing hardly any clothing without even paying a subscription fee, right?


Most even have implants.
Boseo
Azure Horizon
#23 - 2012-06-11 00:40:32 UTC
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
HOLY MOTHER OF GOD
OMG < OP, add this to your post :)


Hehe, they need to have an arm wrestle minigame at the bar :P



Oh look its the Slay game that has been recycled and used on ps Home as a promotion for dust 514....

Also wish they put the pod room in, along with the better looking CQ.

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Jonni Favorite
Militant Industrialists LLC
Militant Consortium
#24 - 2012-06-11 00:53:31 UTC
D3F4ULT wrote:
I want to fly, not walk.


What's stopping you?
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#25 - 2012-06-11 00:53:36 UTC
Gimme gunz let me in...

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Acot Voth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-06-11 01:28:18 UTC
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
HOLY MOTHER OF GOD
OMG < OP, add this to your post :)


Hehe, they need to have an arm wrestle minigame at the bar :P


Im jealous of the dev that got to do that.


I had a friend in swg that made millions afk dancing and all he had to do was call everyone hun O.O
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-06-11 04:44:39 UTC
Look! people are posting pics of playstation home's dust 514 space.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-06-11 05:21:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Danfen Fenix wrote:
Problem I see with it, currently, is that while some places like Jita will be overcrowded...most others will be completely empty. Why waste all those resources developing it, when the majority of players would only use it in a very small amount of systems (As they'll be the only places that it's worth it for players, due to population amounts in systems).

It's a great idea sure, and one I would love to see eventually. I just can not see it's worth in game currently.


The crowding in stations could be what pushes people out into those underused stations. Something like this could actually result in the formation of new trade hubs, especially if it allowed us to run our own bars and such.

And like someone else said, it's a station. It would have multiple levels. I'm seeing people bring up the issue of most people wouldn't be able to handle having hundreds of people on screen at the same time. What makes anyone think that there wouldl be that many people on screen at the same time? Not that they ever really optimized CQ or that it's really that much more demanding then say Age of Conan or The Secret World.


And you're right, people who are only interested in FiS aren't going to find much worth in it. People who aren't playing EVE because it's all FiS and then those of us that want MORE then FiS would find a lot of worth in it.

I'd very much like to see new avatar based skills for WiS, as well as some existing skills having use in WiS, and the ability to do missions on a station.


I really don't get people being apposed to this. Expanding the playerbase would be the best thing to happen, to the playerbase. More money wll benefit FiS.

And before some tool comes along and starts blathering on about how many sockets are being used and people not being able to log on, TQ can handle twice it's current load.

63,170 concurrent users. Anyone that thinks WiS would prevent someone from logging in is an idiot.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-06-11 05:47:33 UTC
Acot Voth wrote:
http://jolstatic.fr/www/captures/1297/4/30564-800.jpg


Shocked


If that is what they had planned years ago...WOW. I just went from thinking WIS would fun but mostly good for capturing more new subs to OMFG I want that! That looks perfect. I expected to see Han and Greedo in the back corner talking business. Now I see why so many people are clinging to that door opening. Who wouldn't want to stop by that place for a drink, some gambling, and maybe a few shady deals before ending the night with some light conversation and dancing.


They have said there will be no dancing emote but they may have slave dancers or other entertainment., I liked the descriptions they made of what this would become. In station intrigue could be great for the game if it's done right.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#30 - 2012-06-11 05:51:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Danfen Fenix wrote:
Problem I see with it, currently, is that while some places like Jita will be overcrowded...most others will be completely empty. Why waste all those resources developing it, when the majority of players would only use it in a very small amount of systems (As they'll be the only places that it's worth it for players, due to population amounts in systems).

It's a great idea sure, and one I would love to see eventually. I just can not see it's worth in game currently.


Actually the idea was that most stations would have only the bare minimum of stuff, and extras like bars and shops would be player run. So they would only pop up where there was business to sustain them.


Exactly.

If you want to run a bar for instance, you train the appropriate skills, rent a spot where you think you'll get enough traffic to actually make money, choose the services you wish to offer, and pay for the decor and capacity limit (16, 32, 64, etc).

The WIS parts of say Jita don't even have to be on the same node as the FIS parts of Jita. That tech already exists with DUST players being on the same server as EVE players (which likely means the EVE servers are receiving a hefty upgrade in capacity already). This means that if a lot of people in Jita were docked in 4 4 it would actually reduce the lag in space instead of contributing to it.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-06-11 06:09:32 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
The crowding in stations could be what pushes people out into those underused stations. Something like this could actually result in the formation of new trade hubs, especially if it allowed us to run our own bars and such.

And like someone else said, it's a station. It would have multiple levels. I'm seeing people bring up the issue of most people wouldn't be able to handle having hundreds of people on screen at the same time. What makes anyone think that there wouldl be that many people on screen at the same time? Not that they ever really optimized CQ or that it's really that much more demanding then say Age of Conan or The Secret World.


And you're right, people who are only interested in FiS aren't going to find much worth in it. People who aren't playing EVE because it's all FiS and then those of us that want MORE then FiS would find a lot of worth in it.

I'd very much like to see new avatar based skills for WiS, as well as some existing skills having use in WiS, and the ability to do missions on a station.


I really don't get people being apposed to this. Expanding the playerbase would be the best thing to happen, to the playerbase. More money wll benefit FiS.

And before some tool comes along and starts blathering on about how many sockets are being used and people not being able to log on, TQ can handle twice it's current load.

63,170 concurrent users. Anyone that thinks WiS would prevent someone from logging in is an idiot.


Strange that a GSF member would post that considering the majority of players posting against WiS are members of the CFC.

Anyway, very excellent viewpoint which I agree with 100%. It's too bad CCP decided to scrap their plans for WiS, largely due to them listening to a small but very loud group of players.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#32 - 2012-06-11 06:22:06 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
The crowding in stations could be what pushes people out into those underused stations. Something like this could actually result in the formation of new trade hubs, especially if it allowed us to run our own bars and such.

And like someone else said, it's a station. It would have multiple levels. I'm seeing people bring up the issue of most people wouldn't be able to handle having hundreds of people on screen at the same time. What makes anyone think that there wouldl be that many people on screen at the same time? Not that they ever really optimized CQ or that it's really that much more demanding then say Age of Conan or The Secret World.


And you're right, people who are only interested in FiS aren't going to find much worth in it. People who aren't playing EVE because it's all FiS and then those of us that want MORE then FiS would find a lot of worth in it.

I'd very much like to see new avatar based skills for WiS, as well as some existing skills having use in WiS, and the ability to do missions on a station.


I really don't get people being apposed to this. Expanding the playerbase would be the best thing to happen, to the playerbase. More money wll benefit FiS.

And before some tool comes along and starts blathering on about how many sockets are being used and people not being able to log on, TQ can handle twice it's current load.

63,170 concurrent users. Anyone that thinks WiS would prevent someone from logging in is an idiot.


Strange that a GSF member would post that considering the majority of players posting against WiS are members of the CFC.

Anyway, very excellent viewpoint which I agree with 100%. It's too bad CCP decided to scrap their plans for WiS, largely due to them listening to a small but very loud group of players.


I know what you are saying, but I think it was more of a realization that while they had a plan in place for developing the tech, they didn't have an adequate plan in place for the actual game play and over all direction. Deadlines for having the core technology working were given too great an importance in comparison.

As disappointing as things were, I think that the end result will be much better than it perhaps might have been if CCP continued to just keep making it up as they went along.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-06-11 06:59:30 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Strange that a GSF member would post that considering the majority of players posting against WiS are members of the CFC.

Anyway, very excellent viewpoint which I agree with 100%. It's too bad CCP decided to scrap their plans for WiS, largely due to them listening to a small but very loud group of players.


I know what you are saying, but I think it was more of a realization that while they had a plan in place for developing the tech, they didn't have an adequate plan in place for the actual game play and over all direction. Deadlines for having the core technology working were given too great an importance in comparison.

As disappointing as things were, I think that the end result will be much better than it perhaps might have been if CCP continued to just keep making it up as they went along.

Well, CCP had a definite plan and game play direction for WiS back in 2007 when they announced it. It was largely accepted and expected, especially when it was announced it would be implemented in 2011 with Incarna. Unfortunately CCP opted to spend resources and time to develop the NEX Store and rush out an unoptimized Captains Quarters while excluding all of the other WiS content that was promised. Add to that showing players 'The Door' and all the other events that happened, basically incited a small vocal minority to troll those who actually wanted it, thus inciting CCP to abandon their original plans for WiS.

Now the latest so called plan is to implement areas of exploration for Avatars to do FPS (?) action, meanwhile still no word about the other WiS content such as Player Owned Markets, Bars, Casinos, Corporate Meeting Rooms, War Command Centers, etc.

Anyway, I've basically come to the conclusion that if you get a bunch of like-minded players to create a bunch of forum posting alts and continuously spam the forums nonstop, you can pretty much dictate how this game is developed, especially if you control the CSM.

As far as I'm concerned, this whole topic of WiS is a dead issue now and is probably best left forgotten.

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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2012-06-11 07:48:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
They have said years ago there will be no dancing


Well the exotic dancers will dance...obviously

And yes they had some very good ideas that would prove to fun and open up a whole range of ideas for sandbox use.

Then they thought of Aurum and decided to be ~Fearless~

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Acot Voth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-06-11 14:45:13 UTC
Those slave dancers remind me of a princess I knew in another galaxy.
Widow Cain
#36 - 2012-06-11 14:49:07 UTC
D3F4ULT wrote:
I want to fly, not walk.


Because all features are 100% exclusive of other features.

Everything is black, or white.

OMG You are sooo pixel macho...
Knug LiDi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-06-11 18:55:47 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Han shot first.


No he didn't. Greedo didn't shoot at all, 'cause he was dead.

If only we could fall into a woman's arms

without falling into her hands
Hikaru Kuroda
Extheria
#38 - 2012-06-11 19:16:05 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
The crowding in stations could be what pushes people out into those underused stations. Something like this could actually result in the formation of new trade hubs, especially if it allowed us to run our own bars and such.

And like someone else said, it's a station. It would have multiple levels. I'm seeing people bring up the issue of most people wouldn't be able to handle having hundreds of people on screen at the same time. What makes anyone think that there wouldl be that many people on screen at the same time? Not that they ever really optimized CQ or that it's really that much more demanding then say Age of Conan or The Secret World.


And you're right, people who are only interested in FiS aren't going to find much worth in it. People who aren't playing EVE because it's all FiS and then those of us that want MORE then FiS would find a lot of worth in it.

I'd very much like to see new avatar based skills for WiS, as well as some existing skills having use in WiS, and the ability to do missions on a station.


I really don't get people being apposed to this. Expanding the playerbase would be the best thing to happen, to the playerbase. More money wll benefit FiS.

And before some tool comes along and starts blathering on about how many sockets are being used and people not being able to log on, TQ can handle twice it's current load.

63,170 concurrent users. Anyone that thinks WiS would prevent someone from logging in is an idiot.


I can't believe I'm giving away likes to a Goon, but you're absolutely right.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#39 - 2012-06-11 19:27:14 UTC
Pass on the exotic dancers. There's plenty of porn out there, let us have our seedy space cantina scene without worrying about it pissing off the wife.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-06-11 19:27:48 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
They have said years ago there will be no dancing


I've been stockpiling exotic dancers for nothing?

Sad
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