EVE General Discussion

Isk is entered through one of several ports:
- Mission rewards
- Bounties
- NPC buy orders
- Insurance payouts

and a few others.

Isk is trained by more than several ways as well:
- Insurance purchases
- tax
- NPC sell orders

and many others.

There was recently a great thread about this, and the differences between 'ISK creation' and 'ISK movement' were highly stressed and differentiated; selling anything you make out of ore or parts you came across is not ISk creation, it's simply isk movement for eg.

1st. Ship-loss does not take ISK out of the system.
2nd. Rich players take money from other players.
3rd. If you're looking for a get rich quick plan, nobody will give you one.

As for where money comes from. Akita T posted this in another thread recently.




Also, I really hope you're not an old character because CCP doesn't do name-changes.

Thanks for the statistics, that was what I was sort of looking for.
No I'm not looking for advice to get rich, just interested in the economics of EVE.
Also thanks to Headerman for his answer.

Just to futher debat cause im not smart. Why is ship loss not a moneysink. Scenario: Person buys ships for money and the ships blow up, money lost, or am I not seing the big picture?

The person you paid isk to for the ship still has the isk whether or not your ship explodes. Just because you no longer have the isk in your pocket after you bought the ship doesnt mean the isk isn't still in the Eve economy.

That is the isk movement vs isk creation that another poster touched on.

You're not seeing the big picture.

Where does the money go when you buy something?
Well, who sold you the thing? For 99% of the stuff you get, it's another player.
This means the other player has the money now (minus taxes). The money is still in the economy — it just changed hands.


Hell, if you just look at the small scale, it's even easier than that: what happens when you lose you ship? Nothing. You don't lose a cent. The money doesn't disappear from your wallet when you lose the ship — it disappears when you buy it. So even if you were to somehow get the ship from an NPC (which is normally the first sign of something being an ISK sink), the actual destruction wouldn't be a sink because the money was lost long before that. Now, since you don't actually buy ships from NPCs, it's even less of a sink, because as mentioned above, the money just moves to another player.

In fact, ship loss is usually an ISK faucet because ship destruction (unless caused by CONCORD) triggers an insurance payout. That payout is an NPC giving you money, thus creating ISK that didn't exist before. By design, insurance payouts are always larger than the premium you pay for them (including if you don't pay anything at all), so a triggered payout is always a net addition of ISK to the economy.

If you look on the market's buy and sell orders for trade goods in your region, those items that have 364 days left are NPCs buyers/sellers.

I suggested a while back they put Dog tag drop at .5 and remove all bounties. Add seeds for the Dog tags based on nation and treat them as the bounty. It's in the queue as I understand it so it might happen in 5 or 6 years.

Many people are.

And most just don't get the sheer /scale/ of the EVE economy. Trillions of ISK enter every month (trillions leave too, but not an equal amount) Ideally, the balance should be 0 + money for new players to get rich with.

ben's space helicopter

easy it came from other peoples wallet