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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#21 - 2012-06-07 16:06:08 UTC
Akiyo XI wrote:
learn when your being baited

that is all


LOL... the cannibal troll.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Xenuria
#22 - 2012-06-07 17:00:13 UTC
One of the main reasons I posted this thread on the EvE forums of all places is because It is my opinion that the people of this community are more intelligent and sophisticated of other game communities. (ex Blizzard forums... LOL)

In futuristic fiction, nobody seems to care what your gender or orientation is...

Look at mass effect 3 for example. There is a scene where a crew member talks about his dead husband and there exists no option to ridicule of harass him about this very open indication of homosexuality.

EvE itself is a great example, The only faction that strictly and openly opposes alternative life-styles are the amarr.

The amarr are also catholic. Go figure.

CSM 12 Candidate
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#23 - 2012-06-07 17:05:40 UTC
This thread won't last long :)

14 year olds should not be given access to microphones. They don't know enough about anything to actually comment. I did see a comment on a related video that I thought actually provided some insight into those opposed to gay marriage:

"gay marriage" is like "dry water". It just can't be.

That sums up pretty well the argument: this isn't about denial of civil rights, this is a disagreement about the boundaries of the definition of marriage. I wish people on both sides of the argument would get it through their heads that the other side isn't out to get them. Everyone involved is acting on their personal convictions, and that should be commended.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Xenuria
#24 - 2012-06-07 17:13:24 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
This thread won't last long :)

14 year olds should not be given access to microphones. They don't know enough about anything to actually comment. I did see a comment on a related video that I thought actually provided some insight into those opposed to gay marriage:

"gay marriage" is like "dry water". It just can't be.

That sums up pretty well the argument: this isn't about denial of civil rights, this is a disagreement about the boundaries of the definition of marriage. I wish people on both sides of the argument would get it through their heads that the other side isn't out to get them. Everyone involved is acting on their personal convictions, and that should be commended.



When I was 14, I was a full time college student with a 3.5 GPA.
Don't make this an "age" thing, it's not. This is an "ignorance" thing.

If you do backround on this kid you will find he often has a very smug look on his face and obviously feels empowered by his demagoguery. I know this type well.

A person like him would be highly susceptible to the influence of a cult. At the very least I like to think that some of the more prominent blowhards that spew this hate know to some degree that it is junk and are only doing it to push an agenda that nets them wealth and power. In the case of this child I can say with confidence that he actually believes what he is saying and that my friends is dangerous.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-06-07 17:28:24 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
This thread won't last long :)

14 year olds should not be given access to microphones. They don't know enough about anything to actually comment. I did see a comment on a related video that I thought actually provided some insight into those opposed to gay marriage:

"gay marriage" is like "dry water". It just can't be.

That sums up pretty well the argument: this isn't about denial of civil rights, this is a disagreement about the boundaries of the definition of marriage. I wish people on both sides of the argument would get it through their heads that the other side isn't out to get them. Everyone involved is acting on their personal convictions, and that should be commended.



When I was 14, I was a full time college student with a 3.5 GPA.
Don't make this an "age" thing, it's not. This is an "ignorance" thing.

If you do backround on this kid you will find he often has a very smug look on his face and obviously feels empowered by his demagoguery. I know this type well.

A person like him would be highly susceptible to the influence of a cult. At the very least I like to think that some of the more prominent blowhards that spew this hate know to some degree that it is junk and are only doing it to push an agenda that nets them wealth and power. In the case of this child I can say with confidence that he actually believes what he is saying and that my friends is dangerous.


When I was 18 I graduated high school with a 1.67 GPA

Not due to I didn't get it, I only showed up for tests because screw high school Cool

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#26 - 2012-06-07 17:28:27 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
When I was 14, I was a full time college student with a 3.5 GPA.

So? That doesn't qualify you as being insightful. College doesn't provide wisdom or enlightenment. At 14 you were just reading thicker books than the other kids. Going to college doesn't make a young person more mature than their peers. Just better at making grades.

Xenuria wrote:
Don't make this an "age" thing, it's not. This is an "ignorance" thing.

Okay, I'll rephrase it: I've never in my life met a 14-year old who wasn't ignorant. I find little more amusing than a teenager who thinks they understand how the world works. I remember being that foolish once and I think it's adorable, yet quite annoying.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-06-08 12:00:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Skippermonkey
Xenuria...

why you change your whole face?

also, DEM EYEBROWS!

xenuria wrote:
Look at mass effect 3 for example. There is a scene where a crew member talks about his dead husband and there exists no option to ridicule of harass him about this very open indication of homosexuality.


wait for the DLC

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#28 - 2012-06-08 15:10:02 UTC
My solution to the whole marriage issue would be this:


Let them marry, but one of them has to be "the man". They have to decide on this ahead of time and it's binding.

So when the divorce comes, typically the man has no rights in divorce court.

Then they won't be as eager to marry. They would probably eschew marriage like most heteros who see what a rigged game it is.


Problem solved.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Xenuria
#29 - 2012-06-08 18:12:41 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Xenuria...

why you change your whole face?

also, DEM EYEBROWS!

xenuria wrote:
Look at mass effect 3 for example. There is a scene where a crew member talks about his dead husband and there exists no option to ridicule of harass him about this very open indication of homosexuality.


wait for the DLC



I wanted to make my character looks more like me.
Although I admit the limitations of the character creation system means it is impossible to do justice my awe inspiring and majestic appearance.

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leviticus ander
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-06-10 04:56:56 UTC  |  Edited by: leviticus ander
I see marriage of any kind as more or less useless. at this point, it's just a cultural thing, and due to the ease (relatively so) of divorces, it's really not nearly as big a thing these days.
my thought is to just let people say "I love you, will you move in with me" and be done with it.
EDIT: and as I've been repeating for a while now (I heard it somewhere, but can't remember where) "marriage is betting half your stuff that you will love each other for ever and ever.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#31 - 2012-06-10 20:52:46 UTC
Im fine with it as long as they dont force it down my throat.

In other news Mayor Bloomburg is helping kill the planet by banning oversized beverages increasing the amount of soda containers in landfills.

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#32 - 2012-06-11 00:43:04 UTC
And that kid is a perfect example of why children should not be allowed anywhere near a microphone, webcam and YouTube or any other site of its kind.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-06-11 00:59:30 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
And that kid is a perfect example of why children should not be allowed anywhere near a microphone, webcam and YouTube or any other site of its kind.


Parents just need to hit their kids more, worked great for me growing up Big smile

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-06-13 20:53:38 UTC
leviticus ander wrote:
I see marriage of any kind as more or less useless. at this point, it's just a cultural thing, and due to the ease (relatively so) of divorces, it's really not nearly as big a thing these days.
my thought is to just let people say "I love you, will you move in with me" and be done with it.
EDIT: and as I've been repeating for a while now (I heard it somewhere, but can't remember where) "marriage is betting half your stuff that you will love each other for ever and ever.


Tax breaks, it's a social (and legal binding) contract

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#35 - 2012-06-14 06:50:59 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
leviticus ander wrote:
I see marriage of any kind as more or less useless. at this point, it's just a cultural thing, and due to the ease (relatively so) of divorces, it's really not nearly as big a thing these days.
my thought is to just let people say "I love you, will you move in with me" and be done with it.
EDIT: and as I've been repeating for a while now (I heard it somewhere, but can't remember where) "marriage is betting half your stuff that you will love each other for ever and ever.


Tax breaks, it's a social (and legal binding) contract


Also:

Automatic rights to make medical decisions if your spouse is unable to do so, visit your spouse in the hospital, etc. Legal marriage is recognized in these cases, but even when unmarried couples have had legal agreements to attempt to duplicate those rights they've been ignored by the hospital.

Automatic custody of children. For example, if you aren't legally married, your kids go to your parents, not your partner, if you die. You'd better hope that your legal family agrees with your choice of partner and allows the kids to remain with their surviving parent.

Automatic inheritance. If you die without leaving a will (or of anything isn't clear), everything automatically goes to your spouse. If you aren't married, even if you have a will your legal family can still contest it and your umarried partner gets no special consideration.

Coverage under employer-provided health insurance. Legal marriage often gets this for you and your children, but it's much rarer to find an employer who extends that coverage if you aren't legally married.

Automatic immunity to testifying in court against your spouse. If you're legally married, you can never be obligated to testify against them. If you aren't legally married, well, you'd better not witness your partner doing anything illegal.

Etc.


But remember, we need to punish people for doing something Jesus doesn't like!
SpaceSquirrels
#36 - 2012-06-14 12:54:40 UTC
I for one embrace our new chapless ass overlord children.

Oh wait that came out no so good.... ****...ok Dear FBI I used a poor poor choice.

Um ok... Least we'll have more parades!
Nyx Na'gorg
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-06-14 14:17:45 UTC
I think the most important part of this thread is when Xenuria admitted he plays WoW.
Jon Engel
Machete Carbide
#38 - 2012-06-15 03:31:19 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Nachteule Kohen wrote:
atheists don't fill surveys. it's probably 0.3% ;p

France, for instance, has 33% of survey responders giving either atheism, agnosticism or another lack of belief in supernatural powers, and only 34% believing that a "God" exists.
Sweden has 23% believing in any particular god, 23% believing in nothing, and 53% holding what would traditionally be called esoteric beliefs.
Several other EU countries are not that far behind in terms of non-god-belief, but others (like Romania, Portugal and Greece) drag the average stats down, with the EU average at 52% belief in any specific deity and 18% no belief in anything at all, rest claim belief in odder things that are not any particular deity.

In contrast, in the USA, only around 15% claim no religious affiliations, roughly 6% to 9% of people in the USA claim they do not believe in the existence of a deity nor any other supernatural force, and under 2% explicitly identify as either agnostic or atheist.

Fun additional facts :
Israel has 55% identifying as "secular", out of which 41% "non-religious", and of that, 31% say they do NOT believe in "God".
Japan has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, and 65% of its population does not believe in any deities (55% don't even care about Buddha).
Germany has an even lower crime rate, and around half of its population does not believe in any deities, with a quarter identifying as either atheist or agnostic.

...

Bottom line, if atheists (and agnostic, non-believers or "seculars") don't fill polls or census data to that extent, it's on a per-country basis, not worldwide. Worldwide, they fill questionnaires just fine.


Those lovely polls and surveys are hardly consistent with the true personal beliefs of everyday Americans. Even the census forms are bullshit. A lot of people who don't believe in Jesus, don't go to Church except for funerals, weddings, and the christenings of some little bastard belonging to a friend or family member just say Christian or whatever denomination they come from.

Asking me what I believe, and asking me what I was raised in gets you two different answers. I don't believe in God or Jesus, or Muhammad or Buddha, or even have any kind of respect or toleration for people's sensitivities in regards to faith. However, in a number of occasions I have just checked off Christian as a habit on several forms both State and Federal Government and even swore on a bible in a court room a few times.

Point is, don't believe polls, surveys or whatever. They are not accurate by any means, and in the end religion doesn't matter in America. Only old guard protestant fundamentalists think so and believe we have to court religious people's sensitivities because they think they have a monopoly on what is morally correct.
Xenuria
#39 - 2012-06-15 03:35:02 UTC
Nyx Na'gorg wrote:
I think the most important part of this thread is when Xenuria admitted he plays WoW.


I at no point indicated that I play WOW, because I do not.

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Jon Engel
Machete Carbide
#40 - 2012-06-15 03:37:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jon Engel
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
leviticus ander wrote:
I see marriage of any kind as more or less useless. at this point, it's just a cultural thing, and due to the ease (relatively so) of divorces, it's really not nearly as big a thing these days.
my thought is to just let people say "I love you, will you move in with me" and be done with it.
EDIT: and as I've been repeating for a while now (I heard it somewhere, but can't remember where) "marriage is betting half your stuff that you will love each other for ever and ever.


Tax breaks, it's a social (and legal binding) contract


Also:

Automatic rights to make medical decisions if your spouse is unable to do so, visit your spouse in the hospital, etc. Legal marriage is recognized in these cases, but even when unmarried couples have had legal agreements to attempt to duplicate those rights they've been ignored by the hospital.

Automatic custody of children. For example, if you aren't legally married, your kids go to your parents, not your partner, if you die. You'd better hope that your legal family agrees with your choice of partner and allows the kids to remain with their surviving parent.

Automatic inheritance. If you die without leaving a will (or of anything isn't clear), everything automatically goes to your spouse. If you aren't married, even if you have a will your legal family can still contest it and your umarried partner gets no special consideration.

Coverage under employer-provided health insurance. Legal marriage often gets this for you and your children, but it's much rarer to find an employer who extends that coverage if you aren't legally married.

Automatic immunity to testifying in court against your spouse. If you're legally married, you can never be obligated to testify against them. If you aren't legally married, well, you'd better not witness your partner doing anything illegal.

Etc.


But remember, we need to punish people for doing something Jesus doesn't like!


Not true, all family law (at least in America) is delegated to State Government legislatures. It varies (with very considerable differences) in a ll 50 states and the non-state states like Puerto Rico, Guam and Samoa and DC. I will admit that in all those jurisdictions family courts tend to favor a woman over both the rights of a male or the best interest of the children or what is morally correct. Like paying alimony to a cheating wife, or allowing an abusive drug addicted mother to retain custody and deny the father his parental rights.

Recent legislation is being introduced and even implemented into law to correct this fallacy of justice. Makes me feel a little better because I have a daughter and If I was to divorce god knows I don't want all my flaws thrown at me in court to deny me my parental rights.

Lastly, if gay couple can provide for and raise a well adjusted child, more power to em. Better their checkbooks fitting the bill than the tax payers.
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