EVE General Discussion

It's so nice reading a thread from a carebear that isn't about whining and changing the game to suit their needs. OP, you really do get it, and we applaud you.

Props to the OP.

Nice Post. Intelligent, informed, community based. Eve suits players who think, the whiners in this thread demonstrate the bottom of the barrel.

"In the middle of difficulty lies opportunity"

Good on the OP.

Adapt, Improvise, Overcome.

Congratz on your forethought.

+1

Why thank the Goons, they are slowly promoting EVE into a gank fest playground for little girls? What's so impressive about shooting soft industrials as is their unique aspect of agenda they promote for EVE? Especially when they hide behind broken mechanics like the ineffectual bounty hunting system they want to continue to selfishly delay, I assume as they are afraid it might impinge on their gameplay.

(As a null org I recognise they do sovereignty wars as per any other null sec organisation of significance so yes its not their only activities, but then again this isn't their promotional tools for EVE as per what they are recognised for. Besides whilst tactically sensible, they only seem to enter wars they know they are going to win)

As such there isn't really anything markedly impressive about the Goons. Especially when you combine it with all their social ineptitudes and idiocy. Just stupid cowardly bullies at the end of the day hiding behind meta politics, numbers and broken mechanics. There isnt anything representative of a Goon I would wish to see as inspirational or admirable in the EVE environment.

Not mad or upset, just not inspired by Goons.

Suicide ganking is a calculated risk under high sec regulations that uses the element of suprise on soft targets in the main. Its more a spreadsheet exercise than inspirational gameplay not very exciting and when examples suggest you can plex in an afternoon, also not very difficult in relative game terms imho.

The cowardice comes from not allowing industrially focussed pilots to enact some counter to the process especially if attacked in numbers and then having gankers complaining and whining when their activities are made more challenging and yet this expectation is always placed on their quarry in the numerous answers of how the industrialist should adapt to challenging gameplay. So why shouldn't the criminal element be treated to this same regiment of game design ethics and standards they like to throw around as valid arguments?

Not against the tactics of ganking per se, just sickened by the inequality of the process and the criminal element selecting soft targets under the umbrella and complacancy of a long broken and ineffectual bounty hunting system. Nothing impressive about it at all and imho it is a blight on the EVE gameplay landscape when compared to other more challenging representations of PvP gameplay.

When criminals accept the possibilities for BH mechanics to offer some element of effective player counter or moreso a response to their activities, and some pilots I have to admit seem to have already or anticipated that a BH system might actually bring some interesting and challenging encounters to EVE, then I won't be calling them "little girls" anymore. But anyone resistant to it's introduction purely out of selfish and lazy reasons to maintain their ease in gameplay won't be seen as admirable qualities.

This is also counter productive to EVE gameplay anyhow imho, as the BH profession needs qualifying as a possible persuit, it potentially promotes more gameplay and PvP, and adds an uncertainty to add an extra dimension of consideration to the criminal activitites in game. How can that not be seen as something healthy and fun for EVE especially when it raises the bar as opposed to keeping things dumbed down?

So I will continue to oppose anyone who is resistant to this change, presumably as they are scared it might possibly impinge on their gameplay a little with a bit more of a challenge and thought required

Also to quickly add that it would make the game more in keeping with how the designers intended/intend things to be.

This also rather neatly describes mining.

Well Grumpy isn't a miner if thats what you think.

I would question the earning potential as being equal, especially in high sec belts. And I think most people recognise the mining profession as minimum wage.

Did find it humourous for the analogy, but then again thats why there are war decs and ganking to counter any mining activities I suppose, if opposition rather than competition is required.

The hypocrasy if anything lies in the lack of methods an industrialist can respond in kind to suicide ganking. Especially when obviously as a pilot they have an industrial focus and in most situations likely to face multiple opponents.

E.g. A 5 month old miner being ganked by 3 year old criminals in multiple ships makes it very hard for that indivudual to enact any response to the encounter even with potential kill rights. And whilst all adaptations and measures should be made to avoid the situation by the industrialist unless he also focusses skills as a PvP character would he will be very unlikley to be able to do anything at all about it, he will always be effectively be behind in the skill gap, and goes against purposes intended for the pilot as a result.

So to repeat not against suicide ganking, hells for Bounty hunting to be worthwhile there needs to obviously be criminals. But any ganker who wants to keep life easy in EVE for themselves is just a bad influence for EVE game development and gameplay activities imho.