EVE New Citizens Q&A

I have read that CCP is interested in some feedback from new players. So i thought i will just write down my first hour with EVE. I would be interested in reading how other new players perceived and experienced their first hour in EVE. Maybe we can improve some things
All i knew about EVE: Space, ships, complex, real market, takes long to skill stuff, SPACESHIPS, freedom
I ALSO KNOW that EVE is not like all other MMO and it has different gameplay. That is why i focus only on the FIRST HOUR!!
It is kinda the time from logging in and starting with the careermissions.
If you think, that some changes are needed, plz post here and like the thread!

* I create my character and start the game.
* Its nice, one can walk around in that room/captainsquarter
* Chat seems to be very active
* Why am i limited to slowwalking?
* Big screen with ships, numbers, pilotnames. I absolutly have no clue what it means
* My captainsquarters have like 10 walls. All walls are empty. The whole room looks like some storage room. It is all so empty. No things to pick up and take a closer look. What is the purpose of that room??

* Ok, i should talkt to this tutorialLady. She talks far to slow and boring. It's like someone is reading from a paper and not really talking to a person...
* This tutorialLady should be in my quarters and talk to me in person all the time, without me needing to press NEXT NEXT NEXT on that little ugly windows. If i miss something she said, i could press some REPEAT button.
* Anyway, i thought i am in space. Where is my ship and where is the space? Where are other players?
* Damn, i am stuck in some tutorial step: I should open some of the GUI elements. But where is it? cant do nothing
* I heard that the game is deep and complex, but this tutorial is just complicated and boring. How about that lady starts talking and gives some hints where to press on the screen to open that inventorywindow.... Cant open it... WHERE is it?
* Pressing like crazy all possible icons. There are like 25 of them....
* WINDOWS all over the place
* Why cant i close the last opened window with esc? i have everytime to click on the little small x in right corner...
* How to undock from station?
* That tutorialLady should be a real person or some agent i can relate to and acompany me to my ship
* Ok i undocked, i am flying in some kind of capsule, I see some space, some station and nice zoom, but where is my ship and how do i fly this capsule? Why isnt that tutorialLady giving any hints? For 2 minutes silence.
* Ok my first quest is to get to my ship, but how? There should be some quest/mission book
* To much talking/reading about some right clicks and contexts.... i thought i would get my first ship... really annoying
* Ok, i got somehow in my new ship. How do i fly it? Move it?? Is it stuck?
* srsly tutorialLady, how about some hints for the stuff i care?? You are talking about things i do not care RIGHT now.
* Ok like 2 tuts later i get the info that i can doubleclick in space to fly some direction. TOO LATE!
* Now my tutorialwindow is gone... what was i told to do?
* Get some box/item for some mission. But where from? How about the little ship in the big space is highlighted somehow??
* I get all the time some orders. Do this do that. How about you tell me in 5 sec HOW TO DO that instead of letting me read it for 30 sec and try &error for another 30 sec... tell me where to press and what to do. It is obvious that 1 minute after the order nothing happend and i am stil lost in space, i am STUCK
* Ok i managed the next order, but its like try&error. Its not that i have fully understood it...
* i docked back at my station and get new mission. To destroy something.

* 30 Mins so far over and i have seen nothing in EVE. All that stuff i could have done in 5 mins, if were not forced to read and try&error tutorialstuff. So 30 mins tutorial and i am still in my room without having seen anything interesting in EVE. No ships, no other players, no battles, no deep anything. Just reading manuals.
* Ok warping looks cool. nice space and nice ship
* The bald lady is a horrible teacher. She has no clue how to talk to new pilots. I do not need spoken ORDERS. WHAT i need is some audio which explains HOW TO DO STUFF. Why cant i have the bald lady act like if this all would matter what i am doing for 40 mins. I feel like i have called some telephone helpline and listening to some robot telling me to press 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 to quit this lame ass boring tutorial.
* I think even starcraft 1 in 1998 had better Avatars talking you through your first mission

* Why am i not told that 15 km are to far away to shoot this fuel? need to be closer
* Fueldepot destroyed, so what now? I think that after 2 mins of starring into the space without doing anything that tutoriallady would say something... Maybe check back and ask how i am doing??? If i need a sandwich or a white russian. Or repeat the order she has give 10 mins ago?
* Ok i killed brain afk those 2 pirate ships. That was borrng. How about some ingamecommunication between me and the pirates, or some ingamecutscene or anything that would make that moment special? It feels like it was step 18 from 14590 steps.....
* Another mission? How about some comments to a mission SPOKEN to me by that bald blue lady? I understand that i have to read some text, but few words when i take the mission wouldnt be bad too. I have not heard a single sound in this game, except the background music
* The whole 1 hour of EVE didnt feel like playing to me. It was more like following some ROBOTGIVEN orders and setting up a system/environment before you can start doing anything.... maybe back in the old days they really read the whole papermanual before they started installing the game

Agreed, tutorials isn't perfect (but nothing is in the end).

But it's better then in the past, like Louis said.
When I started tutorial had 3 steps:
1.) This is your ship
2.) This is your gun
3.) This is a rat trying to kill you, good luck, tutorial ends here.

As for AURA (Tutorial lady) being a bad teacher, maybe that is actually good. Makes you interact with others from the start, as it's a MMO.

But I agree, your post is good. CCP should look at new player's experience with the tutorials and look where to improve it.
*When I did them with one of my alts, you needed a skilbook for a certain module, while that skillbook was the reward of the mission *

Also, sound in EVE doesn't particulairy work when most of it's players are running voice comms on the background.
My entire EVE music is disabled, the only sound EVE makes is when my cap goes dead or when my shields/armor is failing. Nothing else matters.

Fair point, bit complex. I managed it tho, so did most people i fly with :/ Breath, and go see what you missed.

What the OP needs to realise that this game differs very much from other MMOs to a point where your vast x years experience with [insert 5 different MMOs] means absolutely nothing. Partially because this is effectively an old school MMO and doesn't cater for the "COD crowd" and mostly because it's so frecking complex you NEED it to be explained to you slowly.

Every time the Aura asks you to do something like opening a window the game will point to it so if you take the time it's all there. This just is your first encounter with EVE where "take your time to read stuff and make SURE you understand what is going on" is being explained to you, hence the rather slow and deliberate voice acting. A Gung ho attitude in EVE generally means you'll write an emo ragequite thread about how bad the game is and how "it all sucks" in some 3 months time.

You can't clown your way through EVE, not if you're completely new, doing so anyway means you'll get your **** pushed in by both the game itself as other players. Also, because there's no simple goals and achievements (no levelling etc) take your time, why rush?

I found my first hour in EvE beautifully complex. I look on it as the second most awe-inspiring thing I've done in this game. The first was my first kill.

As EvE is the first and only MMO I've ever played I should admit that I did a helluva lot of reading before I even signed up for the trial, so I didn't feel that overwhelmed during my the first hour. I had a fair (theoretical) idea of what I was getting into and I think that helped.

Stick with it and Good Luck.

You'd be surprised how full rookie and help channel is "how do I do [insert basic action that's thoroughly explained in the tutorials], and how many older players there are which are clueless on the most basic game mechanics. Your first post stated how you couldn't find some basic windows (while the tutorial points them out to you) and now you say it's too easy and should hurry up?

EVE is a slow burning game and if you're a true newbie full of pitfalls, expensive mistakes and players capitalising on your lack of knowledge/experience. It's not a Freelancer clone. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to fanboy here but there is a good reason why EVE starts at a really slow pace as it'll spit you out if you refuse to learn or put in effort. Also, the game isn't for everyone (which is a GOOD thing), if you're looking for more direct action oriented games look elsewhere.


If you do have questions or issues you can always mail/convo me or check the help channel (not rookie), while there's some trolling going on from time to time it's full of people willing to help newbies (some are mor knowledge than others, ofcourse). Alternatively, check the link in my sig, it might help you.

Let's make a cut scene video for every single mission. So that mission runners can watch the same video over and over again.
Or have PvP players who never watch it and have money spent on something useless that doesn't add to the gameplay.

So why do you respond if you have no clue what i am talking about?

It seems to me that some people here in the forums just love complaining about the complains of other players. And by the way i am not complaining about any core elements of the game. I just complain about the first hour of EVE and what i have been presented. ownd.

Well in your OP you seem to complain a lot about the first hour of your EVE experience. You even said you were "interested in reading how other new players perceived and experienced their first hour in EVE". Then a few posts later you say "I do not see any complexity in the process of getting from point A (station) to point B (ship) to get into my first ship. The task is trivial, but the way how it is explained and presented is complicated and not appealing".

So which one is it? are you having trouble understanding the basic tutorials? are you just annoyed by it? or are you afraid you wont be able to understand more complex things? on the subject of scanning, which you said yourself was complex there is a youtube by CCP on the subject. Or if you have even the basic understanding of how 2 dimensional triangulation works you can apply that to the 3 dimensional in the game. And unless you are still stuck on basic arithmetic, you probably already have knowledge of triangulation...you might just not have realized it.

Using scanning as an example, you need to pay attention and use some common sense, because there is a pattern there. One scan bubble on a signal > strength stays the same, but overlap two scan bubbles and the signal strength changes. That must mean the signal is somewhere in that new overlap area you just created when you moved the second probe. What if you had overlapped two bubbles and the signal strength had not changed? that must mean the signal is not in the overlap area, but rather in the scan bubble of the one probe that isnt being covered by the second probe. See the pattern?

I managed to do the scanning tutorial by myself with no help from youtube at all. First toon took me 10-15 and on a few occasions 20 minutes from found signal to 100% and warp. By my third toon i was down to 1 to 2 minutes from found to 100% warp. Once i had found a pattern, it got a lot easier.

My advice still stands, pay attention, read, listen and look. If you are having trouble just with the tutorials, then i'm guessing you are doing none of those. Also right click>show info is your friend along with mouse hover. Feel free to explore, just dont click anything that says delete, confirm or are you sure. It was either tell you that or i just tell you that you are an idiot...or that i'm smarter then you, blah blah. But thats not what you want to hear i'm sure.

P.S. i think i already mentioned it, but i didnt have any problems with the aura or agent tuts.

I recently did the tutorials. They are not as bad as he says.

However, they are lacking in several aspects and it would be very wise of CCP to improve them.

Sometimes you need modules to complete a tutorial mission that you don't own yet. The veterans among us just say: "buy it from the market" but they forget how overwelmed you are in your first hour. The new player does not know how the market works. It needs to be explained.

What I suggest to CCP is this: Find some people that never played EVE before. Let them do the tutorials and sit next to them. DO NOT INTERFERE, just take notes of how the new guys respond to the tutorials.

Edit: Off topic part removed, CCP Phantom