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Making sense of FW LP?
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Leviaxxan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-06-08 14:57:55 UTC
Hi,

I'm a bit confused about how FW LP rewards work. I notice that the LP and ISK cost in FW stores is much greater than that of normal mission running corpss. So what's the deal?...

1) Does FW produce more LP per hour?

2) or does this prices decrease when the system is upgraded or you go up in rank?

At the optimum level, is is better than Lvl 4s? If FW is better generally, is it still better to do missioning for 5xBlueprints for faction mods, rather than getting them individually in FW stores (which may not offer a particualr bp)

Thanks.
Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#2 - 2012-06-08 15:16:59 UTC
Leviaxxan wrote:
Hi,

I'm a bit confused about how FW LP rewards work. I notice that the LP and ISK cost in FW stores is much greater than that of normal mission running corpss. So what's the deal?...

1) Does FW produce more LP per hour?

2) or does this prices decrease when the system is upgraded or you go up in rank?

At the optimum level, is is better than Lvl 4s? If FW is better generally, is it still better to do missioning for 5xBlueprints for faction mods, rather than getting them individually in FW stores (which may not offer a particualr bp)

Thanks.


On the whole, for 30 minutes of your time you can be granted some 30k lp. The cost of items is directly tied to the tier your faction is in, with tier 3 being the 0% loss 0% gain. Right now most militias (not sure about Minmatar) are at t1 or t2 (Caldari flutz between t1 and t2 regularly.

I still run lvl4's when I'm not plexing, and keep in mind the only LP you'll get in FW is offensive plexing and pvp. Defensive plexing only nets you standings.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on any given point.

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _
Fierceshot
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-06-08 15:45:17 UTC
The minmatar is at t4 atm raking in monstrous amount of money and swimming in cheap faction ships. Why the other militias isnt even trying to increase their LP bonuses is beyond me.
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-06-08 16:54:35 UTC
Fierceshot wrote:
The minmatar is at t4 atm raking in monstrous amount of money and swimming in cheap faction ships. Why the other militias isnt even trying to increase their LP bonuses is beyond me.


Make sure to buy plenty of cheap Minmatar faction ships now, because they're losing space steadily and the LP price of ships is going to increase.
Leviaxxan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-06-08 17:13:00 UTC
Thanks for the replies, just to clarify then...

Higher tiers mean an ISK and LP discount - not a greater amount of LP handed out?

At what level tier do the prices acheive parity with non-FW stores, if at all. Take a BP for CN Cruise MLs for example.
Non-FW: 90k LP + 36m ISK
Tier 1 FW: 360k LP + 144m ISK

Does Tier 5 then equal Non-FW stores? If it doesn't, is it (more than) compensated for by the fact that ISK and LP are easier to acquire?
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#6 - 2012-06-08 17:42:23 UTC
Fierceshot wrote:
The minmatar is at t4 atm raking in monstrous amount of money and swimming in cheap faction ships. Why the other militias isnt even trying to increase their LP bonuses is beyond me.


Many gallente militia corps just joined the minmatar militia (but still fight in caldari-gallente space, getting minmatar LP for taking caldari plexes) as a free ride for easy LP rewards. Gallente militia has been stuck at t1 for quite some time and I believe rather than attempt to bring their tiers up they're going to just devalue the minmatar militias LP while the prices for their goods keep going up.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#7 - 2012-06-08 17:42:53 UTC
Both, LP rewards go up 5% per tier I think

Leviaxxan wrote:


Higher tiers mean an ISK and LP discount - not a greater amount of LP handed out?



Tier 1 = 400% Tier2 = 200% Tier 3 = old prices, tier 4 = 50% discount, tier 5 = 75% discount

Leviaxxan wrote:

At what level tier do the prices acheive parity with non-FW stores, if at all. Take a BP for CN Cruise MLs for example.
Non-FW: 90k LP + 36m ISK
Tier 1 FW: 360k LP + 144m ISK

nom nom
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#8 - 2012-06-08 17:47:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Nexxala
Most QCATS are just doing it to get cheap pvp gear and ships to use, so the minnie market will be just fine :) Also upgrading systems in Gal space is pointless because our LP store sucks ****. But yeah getting a SFI everytime I run a 15min med plex is ****.

Super Chair wrote:

Many gallente militia corps just joined the minmatar militia (but still fight in caldari-gallente space, getting minmatar LP for taking caldari plexes) as a free ride for easy LP rewards. Gallente militia has been stuck at t1 for quite some time and I believe rather than attempt to bring their tiers up they're going to just devalue the minmatar militias LP while the prices for their goods keep going up.

nom nom
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#9 - 2012-06-08 17:47:47 UTC
Leviaxxan wrote:
Thanks for the replies, just to clarify then...

Higher tiers mean an ISK and LP discount - not a greater amount of LP handed out?

At what level tier do the prices acheive parity with non-FW stores, if at all. Take a BP for CN Cruise MLs for example.
Non-FW: 90k LP + 36m ISK
Tier 1 FW: 360k LP + 144m ISK

Does Tier 5 then equal Non-FW stores? If it doesn't, is it (more than) compensated for by the fact that ISK and LP are easier to acquire?


Tier 3 would be the "Faction war store" prices pre-inferno. Where a Navy scorpion would cost 150k LP and a navy raven would cost 250k LP. At tier 4, these prices from tier 3 are slashed in half (so 75k LP for a navy scorpion). At tier 5, prices are further reduce (again, by half) so a navy scorpion would cost under 40k LP.

T1 (Everything costs 4x more than T3) -> T2 (2x as much as T3) -> T3 ("normal" pre-inferno FW prices) -> T4 (1/2 T3 price) -> T5 (1/4 T3 Price)

Also, for each tier above T1, you get 5% bonus to LP gained per tier, starting at a 5% bonus at Tier 2, up to 20% bonus at Tier 5.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#10 - 2012-06-08 17:54:03 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Super Chair wrote:
Fierceshot wrote:
The minmatar is at t4 atm raking in monstrous amount of money and swimming in cheap faction ships. Why the other militias isnt even trying to increase their LP bonuses is beyond me.


Many gallente militia corps just joined the minmatar militia (but still fight in caldari-gallente space, getting minmatar LP for taking caldari plexes) as a free ride for easy LP rewards. Gallente militia has been stuck at t1 for quite some time and I believe rather than attempt to bring their tiers up they're going to just devalue the minmatar militias LP while the prices for their goods keep going up.


Out of interests sake, what corps other than QCATS have done this?

And like sanjo said, I personally plan to fly the ships myself (and I would have been too cheap to fly them off the market). But 2.5M ISK for a SFI BPO is dirt cheap for LP that I otherwise would have been lazy to bother to try and sell.

Oh yeah, and I also plan to trade said SFI's with some caldari guys since I love those hookbills and CNI's.
c4 t
Cosmic Psychedelics
#11 - 2012-06-08 19:27:19 UTC
Fierceshot wrote:
The minmatar is at t4 atm raking in monstrous amount of money and swimming in cheap faction ships. Why the other militias isnt even trying to increase their LP bonuses is beyond me.


get some!
Ravenclaw2kk
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-06-09 05:23:22 UTC
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
Fierceshot wrote:
The minmatar is at t4 atm raking in monstrous amount of money and swimming in cheap faction ships. Why the other militias isnt even trying to increase their LP bonuses is beyond me.


Make sure to buy plenty of cheap Minmatar faction ships now, because they're losing space steadily and the LP price of ships is going to increase.


However the cheap faction ships have yet to reach the market, so no real point buying atm.
Leviaxxan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-06-09 14:06:10 UTC
Great, this clears this up a lot.

So the x 0.5 and x 0.25 prices for Tier 4 and 5 apply to ISK amount as well as the LP cost I assume.

One final question. Are tiers on a per system basis or does it apply across all a particular faction's FW stores?

Cheers
Ex0101
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2012-06-09 18:10:09 UTC
Super Chair wrote:

Many gallente militia corps


1? Do you honestly know any others? Or just trying to making things out to be worse than they are?
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#15 - 2012-06-10 00:55:21 UTC
Ex0101 wrote:
Super Chair wrote:

Many gallente militia corps


1? Do you honestly know any others? Or just trying to making things out to be worse than they are?


A significant portion of individual farmers are in minnie militia on the caldari front. As far as corps go, LVLUP, Reassembilators are other corps that have joined minmatar. I'm sure more will follow because its "easier" as some people say.
marketjacker
Mr. Clean Corp..
#16 - 2012-06-10 01:10:37 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
Ex0101 wrote:
Super Chair wrote:

Many gallente militia corps


1? Do you honestly know any others? Or just trying to making things out to be worse than they are?


A significant portion of individual farmers are in minnie militia on the caldari front. As far as corps go, LVLUP, Reassembilators are other corps that have joined minmatar. I'm sure more will follow because its "easier" as some people say.


You are always so mad.
SAA Legis
Miners Mine
#17 - 2012-06-10 12:09:59 UTC
The only reason this is happening is because minnies get full LP rewards for doing Caldari plex. They (we?) even get the Tier bonus on top, despite said tier bonus depends on the Amarr (lack of) resistance, and not the Caldari's.
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#18 - 2012-06-10 14:05:21 UTC
marketjacker wrote:
Super Chair wrote:
Ex0101 wrote:
Super Chair wrote:

Many gallente militia corps


1? Do you honestly know any others? Or just trying to making things out to be worse than they are?


A significant portion of individual farmers are in minnie militia on the caldari front. As far as corps go, LVLUP, Reassembilators are other corps that have joined minmatar. I'm sure more will follow because its "easier" as some people say.


You are always so mad.


It's actually quite smart because you dont even have to donate any LP to the militia you're getting it from. I said that people farm while being in minmatar militia, but in caldari space, and that constitutes as mad? Lol
Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#19 - 2012-06-10 15:37:23 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
marketjacker wrote:
Super Chair wrote:
Ex0101 wrote:
Super Chair wrote:

Many gallente militia corps


1? Do you honestly know any others? Or just trying to making things out to be worse than they are?


A significant portion of individual farmers are in minnie militia on the caldari front. As far as corps go, LVLUP, Reassembilators are other corps that have joined minmatar. I'm sure more will follow because its "easier" as some people say.


You are always so mad.


It's actually quite smart because you dont even have to donate any LP to the militia you're getting it from. I said that people farm while being in minmatar militia, but in caldari space, and that constitutes as mad? Lol


Hell, I flew with AND against you, and have never seen you ever get "mad".

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _