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Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-06-09 23:10:14 UTC
Give new players the option to start in NPC null to encourage a new breed of players never having been coddled by the entrapments of the myth of "high-sec."

Call it Hardcore Mode or something.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-06-09 23:11:41 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Jafit wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Remove sovereignty, seed more NPC stations through out all 0.0 regions, open up 0.0 stations to all who want too visit.


Spoken like someone who hasn't even been to the existing NPC regions.


Don't insult, share with us these regions you speak of ?

Tal




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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-06-09 23:12:13 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
Give new players the option to start in NPC null to encourage a new breed of players never having been coddled by the entrapments of the myth of "high-sec."

Call it Hardcore Mode or something.


Let them start as a pirate faction, and give them some kind of faction noob ship.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Ryoken McKeon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-06-09 23:28:22 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
Give new players the option to start in NPC null to encourage a new breed of players never having been coddled by the entrapments of the myth of "high-sec."

Call it Hardcore Mode or something.


Let them start as a pirate faction, and give them some kind of faction noob ship.


Yes. Additionally, start them with extra SP and isk.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2012-06-09 23:30:52 UTC
Ryoken McKeon wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
Give new players the option to start in NPC null to encourage a new breed of players never having been coddled by the entrapments of the myth of "high-sec."

Call it Hardcore Mode or something.


Let them start as a pirate faction, and give them some kind of faction noob ship.


Yes. Additionally, start them with extra SP and isk.

I could see a token bump in starting ISK and Sp if a player wanted to take this route.

But nothing above the old 800k-ish characters we got around Trinity.

Anything above that would probably bring balance issues.
Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#46 - 2012-06-10 07:53:23 UTC
As I tried to point out earlier, the change needed in 0.0 to promote population growth must come from the nullsec dwellers, not CCP. If the nullsec alliances truly wanted more population it could happen tomorrow. But, the prevailing attitude out there is political "protectionism" and hoarding of resources amongst a small percentage. This posturing gives them a measure of leverage over in game resources. Nullsec is not as broken as it's political leadership is. We as a community at large are allowing a few key players with political clout and industrial muscle dictate the game. Just like in the real world.

I'm a mere nobody, but I do have a certain bit of understanding. If I for one day could lead an "emergent" sandbox protest, I would have everybody in highsec reship into free noob ships and noobswarm nullsec until the Sov Napfest gets the message.

...

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#47 - 2012-06-10 08:02:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Disregard That wrote:
Give new players the option to start in NPC null to encourage a new breed of players never having been coddled by the entrapments of the myth of "high-sec."

Call it Hardcore Mode or something.


Asking for 0.0 to be improved by CCP is like asking for hi sec to be made safe by CCP.

0.0 is player made content.

Stop making sh!t content and people will flock to there.


Here's the mirror to "solitary carebears unite and go kick CFC off nullsec or GTFO":

"Null seccers since you are blued to the ass anyway, make a pact to create a player enforced 0.0 "hi sec" zone where to create a "0.0 Jita". Allow casual players to freely come and go in some systems you won't use anyway.

Then you might finally begin seeing somebody bothering leaving the comfortable, "everything handy, I can play 30 minutes a day" hi sec.

Don't pretend even for a second you'll convince any relevant numbers to become hard core PvPers, it just won't happen.

If you don't like the above, then you will keep having your minority and everybody else will keep doing their business where they like it.

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RAP ACTION HERO
#48 - 2012-06-10 08:41:47 UTC
Urgg Boolean wrote:
We are certainly in flame war territory.

I think the biggest impediment in null sec is that game mechanics allow the power blocks to hide behind their walls. There is no incentive to leave.

1) Limit corp size to 500 members.
2) Limit alliances to 5 corps max. with intelligent mechanics to prevent "alt-corps" from helping out in battles and system guarding/buffer zone type tactics.
3) Limit system Sov to 1 system per corp with 2 bonus systems for maxing corps in an alliance (2 systems owned by the Alliance and no single corp) - all systems must be adjacent forming a cluster.
4) Make moons, belts, planets deplete fairly quickly and recover fairly slowly, over time, such that the owners MUST seek new sources of raw materials regularly or die of "Technetium starvation". Then make the recovery variable, such that what was once a technetium moon becomes something else upon recovery, thus randomly relocating/shuffling all resources.
5) Then allow Sov in Lo sec so as many wimpy corps as possible can have a shot at system ownership.
6) Let the Powerblocks fight over all the cool resources ad infinitum with slowly replenishing resources available once is a while in their Sov systems.

I accept the flames as I'm sure forum warriors will shoot plenty of holes in these ideas. So I'll start the flames myself by pointing out that alt-corps can now easily act as helpers in many ways without Alliance/corp affiliation.

My real point is not any specific set of ideas, rather that things will not change until there are game mechanics that limit the size of any one entity, and give potent incentives to seek out and fight for juicy null sec resources. In fact, all out siege warfare would become a viable tactic if corps/alliances were limited to 7 or less adjacent systems. These basic concepts would allow for a much more dynamic null sec and accommodate regular transitions of power - assuming adequate game-mechanics are worked out.

The idea of POCO ownership was a nice try. But in the systems I travel and do business, I only see the same corps owning the same POCOs ever since they torched the InterBus COs and replaced with their own. No real long term stirring up of the PvP game that I can see. By all means, correct me if what I see in my patch of sky does not reflect reality. I believe something much more profound must happen if things are going to change and wide spread conflict is to be induced.

I do applaud the Goons. Burn Jita was brilliant. The scary thing is that The Mittani said that next time, there will be no warning. This is epic. This is the spirit of EvE. This is stepping out from the protection of their borders with guns blazing. However, they can afford this level of destruction exactly BECAUSE they are allowed to hoard celestial resources in (essentially) protected space while building an enormous empire.

I doubt anything will change any time soon, if ever.

christ that's just all kinds of dumb

vitoc erryday
Cass Lie
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-06-10 09:01:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Cass Lie
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

Asking for 0.0 to be improved by CCP is like asking for hi sec to be made safe by CCP.

0.0 is player made content.

Stop making sh!t content and people will flock to there.


Here's the mirror to "solitary carebears unite and go kick CFC off nullsec or GTFO":

"Null seccers since you are blued to the ass anyway, make a pact to create a player enforced 0.0 "hi sec" zone where to create a "0.0 Jita". Allow casual players to freely come and go in some systems you won't use anyway.

Then you might finally begin seeing somebody bothering leaving the comfortable, "everything handy, I can play 30 minutes a day" hi sec.


Sit down, young capsuleer, and let me tell you a tale of olde, about the most pure and devout of all alliances who roamed the dark skies of Providence just beneath the guiding light of Amarr homeworlds...
Uinuva Karma
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-06-10 09:26:16 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
Give new players the option to start in NPC null to encourage a new breed of players never having been coddled by the entrapments of the myth of "high-sec."

Call it Hardcore Mode or something.


Let them start as a pirate faction, and give them some kind of faction noob ship.


This is the best idea ever Shocked

Imagine starting in an NPC corp that had only players actually interested in the game EVE Online, sharing combat tips, fits and roaming together.

instead of starting with mentally challenged elders grinding the same 4 missions mutely with their 14 botting accounts since 2004, only occasionally dropping in the starter corp chat to bad advice.



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Bossy Lady
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#51 - 2012-06-10 09:46:42 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
Give new players the option to start in NPC null to encourage a new breed of players never having been coddled by the entrapments of the myth of "high-sec."

Call it Hardcore Mode or something.



This.

Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M.
Bossy Lady
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#52 - 2012-06-10 09:47:04 UTC
Uinuva Karma wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
Give new players the option to start in NPC null to encourage a new breed of players never having been coddled by the entrapments of the myth of "high-sec."

Call it Hardcore Mode or something.


Let them start as a pirate faction, and give them some kind of faction noob ship.


This is the best idea ever Shocked

Imagine starting in an NPC corp that had only players actually interested in the game EVE Online, sharing combat tips, fits and roaming together.

instead of starting with mentally challenged elders grinding the same 4 missions mutely with their 14 botting accounts since 2004, only occasionally dropping in the starter corp chat to bad advice.






It is a glorious vision!

Posting on this character because apparently some people get upset when they're asked difficult questions. M.
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2012-06-10 09:57:23 UTC
Promote growth. how about we start we the idiots that promote back stabbing and scamming when they head into 0.0 this should help eleviate part of the problem
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-06-10 10:09:36 UTC
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
Promote growth. how about we start we the idiots that promote back stabbing and scamming when they head into 0.0 this should help eleviate part of the problem


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Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-06-10 10:12:50 UTC
Easier way...fix role management and POS management.

Or did they do that already? lalala

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Headerman1
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2012-06-10 10:42:11 UTC
:Entirety of Drone space:

Drop numerous stations and NPC space there, add 'agents' in the form of AIs and have mission rewards of T2 salvage instead of isk, and a big LP store
George Whitebread
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2012-06-10 10:43:35 UTC  |  Edited by: George Whitebread
Disregard That wrote:
Give new players the option to start in NPC null to encourage a new breed of players never having been coddled by the entrapments of the myth of "high-sec."


This is actually a great idea.

With all those pirate faction regions (as mentioned by several people earlier in the thread), new characters should be able to choose whether to join one of the four "good" factions, or one of the pirate factions. All the four main factions have their pirate rivals in this game, so the structure is in place, and it shouldn't be too hard to balance. Just give them some more stations/agents in those said regions, with tutorial agents and all, to learn new capsuleers about living in New Eden as an outlaw.

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Ned Black
Driders
#58 - 2012-06-10 10:45:54 UTC
To increase nullsec growth...

1. Remove local
2. Remove free intel about who is hitting what
3. Remove free intel about towers going up
4. Make sov structures use fuel and make sov bills increase close to exponentially
5. Did I mention remove local?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#59 - 2012-06-10 10:53:00 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Remove sovereignty, seed more NPC stations through out all 0.0 regions, open up 0.0 stations to all who want too visit.


Tal



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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2012-06-10 10:54:51 UTC
Ned Black wrote:
To increase nullsec growth...

1. Remove local
2. Remove free intel about who is hitting what
3. Remove free intel about towers going up
4. Make sov structures use fuel and make sov bills increase close to exponentially
5. Did I mention remove local?

And how would this "increase nullsec growth"?

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