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Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-06-09 22:51:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Disregard That
Adalun Dey wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
So the Panther failed to get a point (warp disruptor) on you.

Thanks for the information. I would read this post again, even lacking a direct answer.

Probably my fault for using the term "point" in a mining thread anyway...

I'm sure he wasn't equipped with a warp disruptor. Or he thought he wouldn't need one. Thanks for the hint though, I'll equip a warp core stabilizer or two next time.


Please don't.

The best thing you can do is mine aligned.

Be that to bookmarks of your own making, or celestials, or stations, it's up to you.

But you can warp out IMMEDIATELY if you are pre-aligned.

This means you will be moving, though, and have to lock rocks as you move past them.

Doing this, you can fit for max yield and still mine in safety.

Enjoy.
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2012-06-09 23:00:51 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
Please don't.

The best thing you can do is mine aligned.

Be that to bookmarks of your own making, or celestials, or stations, it's up to you.

But you can warp out IMMEDIATELY if you are pre-aligned.

This means you will be moving, though, and have to lock rocks as you move past them.

Doing this, you can fit for max yield and still mine in safety.

Enjoy.

I'm always pre-aligned when I'm mining, also I don't steal my own ore back with my mining ship. I meant putting warp core stabilizers on my industrial ship. The one that doesn't mine. And only gets used to transport ore around.

[i]" Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "[/i]
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-06-09 23:02:39 UTC
Adalun Dey wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
Please don't.

The best thing you can do is mine aligned.

Be that to bookmarks of your own making, or celestials, or stations, it's up to you.

But you can warp out IMMEDIATELY if you are pre-aligned.

This means you will be moving, though, and have to lock rocks as you move past them.

Doing this, you can fit for max yield and still mine in safety.

Enjoy.

I'm always pre-aligned when I'm mining, also I don't steal my own ore back with my mining ship. I meant putting warp core stabilizers on my industrial ship. The one that doesn't mine. And only gets used to transport ore around.

You are one of the bright ones.

I now understand a little better how the Panther may have failed to point you.

His primary target likely left the field too quickly. That is, your pre-aligned mining ship.

You would do well to extoll the virtues of mining aligned to the rest of this sub-community of Eve.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#44 - 2012-06-09 23:05:44 UTC
Adalun Dey wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
Please don't.

The best thing you can do is mine aligned.

Be that to bookmarks of your own making, or celestials, or stations, it's up to you.

But you can warp out IMMEDIATELY if you are pre-aligned.

This means you will be moving, though, and have to lock rocks as you move past them.

Doing this, you can fit for max yield and still mine in safety.

Enjoy.

I'm always pre-aligned when I'm mining, also I don't steal my own ore back with my mining ship. I meant putting warp core stabilizers on my industrial ship. The one that doesn't mine. And only gets used to transport ore around.


Just to be sure, when you say you're aligned, what's your ship's speed?

If it's 0, you've fallen victim to the most pervasive myth perpetuated by stupid EvE miners.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-06-09 23:13:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Adalun Dey
Disregard That wrote:
You are one of the bright ones.

I now understand a little better how the Panther may have failed to point you.

His primary target likely left the field too quickly. That is, your pre-aligned mining ship.

You would do well to extoll the virtues of mining aligned to the rest of this sub-community of Eve.

Heh, as much as I like flattery, my mining ship had already left the field before my industrial ship even arrived (only have one account, remember?). But I first arrived in a Bestower, circled around the jet can and came to the conclusion that taking the ore might pose a danger to my ship. Not willing to risk it I went back to the station and grabbed my underwhelming Sigil.

When I arrived back at the jetcan (which was bookmarked) I noticed an Iteron flying casually towards that very same can. I figured it was the same player as the one with the Panther, who had decided that I wasn't going to grab the bait after all, and was now just going to take the ore himself.

With my amazing powers of deduction I took a gamble and guessed that he had his Panther docked at some station and he couldn't shoot me in that Iteron. Guess he had two account though, but he wasn't fast enough switching back to the other one as I still managed to get out of there.

RubyPorto wrote:
Just to be sure, when you say you're aligned, what's your ship's speed?

If it's 0, you've fallen victim to the most pervasive myth perpetuated by stupid EvE miners.

It's 0, but are you going to sacrifice a Panther in highsec to destroy a Retriever?

[i]" Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "[/i]
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-06-09 23:16:34 UTC
Adalun Dey wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
You are one of the bright ones.

I now understand a little better how the Panther may have failed to point you.

His primary target likely left the field too quickly. That is, your pre-aligned mining ship.

You would do well to extoll the virtues of mining aligned to the rest of this sub-community of Eve.

Heh, as much as I like flattery, my mining ship had already left the field before my industrial ship even arrived (only have one account, remember?). But I first arrived in a Bestower, circled around the jet can and came to the conclusion that taking the ore might pose a danger to my ship. Not willing to risk it I went back to the station and grabbed my underwhelming Sigil.

When I arrived back at the jetcan (which was bookmarked) I noticed an Iteron flying casually towards that very same can. I figured it was the same player as the one with the Panther, who had decided that I wasn't going to grab the bait after all, and was now just going to take the ore himself.

With my amazing powers of deduction I took a gamble and guessed that he had his Panther docked at some station and he couldn't shoot me in that Iteron. Guess he had two account though, but he wasn't fast enough switching back to the other one as I still managed to get out of there.

OK. One account. Two trips.

I couldn't account for the whole story in my head until this post.

Now it makes much more sense.

Still, if you always mine aligned you are deservant of the flattery. My statement is 100% true.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#47 - 2012-06-09 23:55:59 UTC
Adalun Dey wrote:

RubyPorto wrote:
Just to be sure, when you say you're aligned, what's your ship's speed?

If it's 0, you've fallen victim to the most pervasive myth perpetuated by stupid EvE miners.

It's 0, but are you going to sacrifice a Panther in highsec to destroy a Retriever?


The EvE server sees ships as vectors. If their speed is zero, their time to warp is exactly the same in any direction, so "passive" alignment is a myth. Either you're aligned and moving, or you're unaligned. 75% of your current max speed is warpable, so moving at that speed provides instant warp, moving slower takes progressively longer to warp until your EFT align time at 0 speed (Full speed the opposite direction of where you want to go is somewhat longer).

If you were at zero speed when you reflipped the can (marking you as shootable), only the ineptitude of the panther pilot kept you alive.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-06-09 23:58:00 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Adalun Dey wrote:

RubyPorto wrote:
Just to be sure, when you say you're aligned, what's your ship's speed?

If it's 0, you've fallen victim to the most pervasive myth perpetuated by stupid EvE miners.

It's 0, but are you going to sacrifice a Panther in highsec to destroy a Retriever?


The EvE server sees ships as vectors. If their speed is zero, their time to warp is exactly the same in any direction, so "passive" alignment is a myth. Either you're aligned and moving, or you're unaligned. 75% of your current max speed is warpable, so moving at that speed provides instant warp, moving slower takes progressively longer to warp until your EFT align time at 0 speed (Full speed the opposite direction of where you want to go is somewhat longer).

If you were at zero speed when you reflipped the can (marking you as shootable), only the ineptitude of the panther pilot kept you alive.

This is 100% true.

If you are not moving at 75% of your maximum velocity toward something you can warp to, you are not aligned.

If you are aligned you can warp immediately.

If you are not, you cannot.
Titan Diablo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-06-09 23:58:37 UTC
so the best counter to this, is to reflip the can?
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-06-10 00:00:19 UTC
Titan Diablo wrote:
so the best counter to this, is to reflip the can?

The best counter is to not mine into a can at all.

The second best counter is to warp out before your can is taken.

To accomplish this, it is desirable to mine aligned.

But then again, I think you knew that. Shocked
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#51 - 2012-06-10 00:00:21 UTC
Titan Diablo wrote:
so the best counter to this, is to reflip the can?


Sure, why not.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2012-06-10 00:10:20 UTC
Titan Diablo wrote:
so the best counter to this, is to reflip the can?

Just make sure that when you reflip it, you are doing it with a ship that can carry the whole load, you have warp core stabilizers equipped and you are moving at at least 75% of the speed in the direction you want to warp to.

Right?

[i]" Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "[/i]
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2012-06-10 00:19:44 UTC
Adalun Dey wrote:
Titan Diablo wrote:
so the best counter to this, is to reflip the can?

Just make sure that when you reflip it, you are doing it with a ship that can carry the whole load, you have warp core stabilizers equipped and you are moving at at least 75% of the speed in the direction you want to warp to.

Right?

If you're moving and are not locked the WCS are unnecessary.

They only ever come into play if the target gains a lock.

Which you should be able to avoid since you can warp instantly when aligned.

So no, no WCS. I asked that question earlier to try to help you avoid a scan res penalty.

Taking longer to lock rocks when you're align-mining would be murder.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#54 - 2012-06-10 05:06:06 UTC
titan i sent you a mail btw

and also you should have posted this in the new citizens chat, 80% of general discussion is trolls too

The Drake is a Lie
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#55 - 2012-06-10 08:12:02 UTC
Disregard That wrote:

So no, no WCS. I asked that question earlier to try to help you avoid a scan res penalty.

Haulers don't have to lock anything, so a scan res penalty is meaningless.
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This thread reminds me of a time I was canflipped. I was jet-can mining in a retriever when some dude comes in a frigate and flips my can. I figured it was bait, but decided II was up for some pew pew, so I warped back the the station to grab my vexor.

It turns out I wasn't being baited, this guy was just stupid. I was labeled as a greifer on the killboard for a week after I blew up his hoarder.
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