Missions & Complexes

It really depends on your skills. You say you don't have laser skills trained so I would recommend you don't use Amarr battleships (until you train them). If you have good drone skills (T2 sentries) then a Dominix is a very decent ship. If you can't use T2 sentries then I would just go for the Raven. It's actually a pretty decent L4 ship and quite skill forgiving (compared to your other choices).

This depends on what you want to do in the long run. Each of those ships is fairly easy to get into, but to trully get everything out of them, you'll need to specialize down the line, taking considerable amount of time. For instance, if you get a Raven, you get the option of proceeding down to Navy Raven or Golem. However, you'll have to focus on missile skills, severely limiting your other options. For one such as me, who loves missiles, that's not an issue, but for you, it might be. On the other hand, if you get better gun skills, you might end up with Machariel eventually. Or perhaps you'll want to explore in a Tengu, meaning anything that affects it would be a better choice.

All in all, I'd say you need to decide what you want to do, say, 6 months from now. Set that and the best choice will present itself.

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Because you are running in Amarr space then and will mainly get Sansha/Blood Raider missions. So the main damage type you have to tank is EM/Thermal (easier with armor tank) and the main damage type you have to apply is EM (fine with lasers).

If you are not experienced - as you say - your first goal will be be to tank the missions and the two mentioned ships are fine for this in Amarr regions. My opinion...

I'd probably suggest this. Amarr BSs do a great job on BR/Sansha missions but the mix I tend to get in Amarr space has a generous sprinkling of Guristas missions where Amarr BSs really struggle. It's not such a problem if your skills are up to snuff but they can be a pain otherwise. And if you're just starting out you probably don't want to decline those missions.

As for which Amarr BS would work, the Apoc is considerably more forgiving at lower skills than the Abaddon. In fact, the Abaddon really requires a nearly all-5 skill set, at which point the Nightmare or Paladin are already better options.

Given you fly the Drake, you have some missile skills. Add to that, you don't know where you'll be missioning months or years from now. The ability to change damage types makes the Raven (and later the CNR) is one of the better choices. However, it is truly a mission ship and it as well as its cruise missiles aren't a good jumping point to PVP should you decide on that one day.
The Tengu is not a BS and is not optimal against Sansha/Bloods in Amarr space, but is on par and in many situations superior to the CNR. You can stay with heavy missiles and ignore cruises that way, and it is versitile for other uses should you try other areas of Eve.
I use and enjoy both.

apoc is a super duper low sp ship, should be able to pretty easily perma run one rep and have a second to pulse. or you can swap the TC for another cap recharger and have perma run on everything, can also drop a heatsink for another hardener if really needed. also swap for t2 where you can.

and yes you will get the occasional angels extra, but most angels come up close so you can use higher damage ammo most of the time. it might take you a bit more time, but you will still get through it. for a guristas version of The Assault I'd say swap to beams and go for the blitz, my nightmare does it in about 5 mins.

if you don't find yourself pulsing the 2nd rep ever drop it and add a heat sink. and at that point I'd probably drop a cap recharger for another tracking comp, or think about switching to an abaddon for more dps.

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Prototype Armor EM Hardener I
Prototype Armor EM Hardener I
Prototype Armor Thermic Hardener I
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Large Armor Repairer II
Large Armor Repairer II

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead I x5
Hobgoblin I x5

How is the nightmare worse vs small vessels then raven ? Both deal with them using drones ... the only difference is that nightmare can instapop them on their approach.

How is that worse then raven ... dont tell me your using cruise missiles to grind down elite frigs ?

NM has excellent tracking, combine that with tracking enhancer and computer (and implant) and you can hit frigates as close as 20-16km and cruisers orbiting you at 10-8km even with tachyons.

When I was doing L4s I would rarely need to deploy my light drones. Once in a while a lucky frigate would close enough so I couldn't track in any more - but 95% of the time you can insta-pop while they are still far, far away.

Tengu is not on par price wise with a Raven to someone that is new to level 4 missions. Get a Raven, and work up the money and skills to use the Tengu (not just the skills to step into the cockpit), it will be the quickest way to build a real level 4 mission killer, and then use the money you make with the Tengu for things like pirate faction ships etc...

Happy Hunting

Do you have tech 2 missile skills? if you dont, the dominix might very well be your best option atm. With the recent addition of drone damage mods they can deal a significant amount of damage focusing only on drones. plus they are easyer to tank against the sansha and bloodraiders youll encounter, and you have no problems with jamming guristas. youll mostly encounter sansha and guristas in amarr space as you probably noticed yourself already.

Also i wholeheartedly agree with the above advice, using multiple ships for missions depending on what you get is quite a good idea. Personally i use a gallente ship against guristas, minmatar against mercs, angels and rogue drones, and an amarr ship vs. sansha / bloodraiders