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has anyone offered protection for hulks from gankers?
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Josef Djugashvilis
#41 - 2012-06-09 07:51:08 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
Because Concord is there, miners expect the threat of Concord retaliation to be a deterrent. It's not just that miners are cheap and want it all, but Concord provides a false sense of security, as any government monopoly does.

We'd be better off without sec status and Concord. It would force players to work together, and to find ways to protect ops, define safe zones, and encourage better wars.

From what I understand, miners are actually safer and more profitable in null, where security is provided by the group holding Sov, instead of some arbitrary game mechanic like Concord.

The difference between null/low and hisec, is that security can be proactive. In hisec, all you have is reactive security. Not much good if Concord kills a ganker after you have already lost your Hulk. The punishment does nothing wrt restitution for the victim.


No miner thinks that Concord acts as a deterrent to gankers, hence Concord cannot and do not provide miners a false sense of security.

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#42 - 2012-06-09 07:51:42 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
From what I understand, miners are actually safer and more profitable in null, where security is provided by the group holding Sov, instead of some arbitrary game mechanic like Concord.

Security for miners in null is provided by the fact that so few people live in it, making null the single best solution for miners who want to ply their trade without interference. Player-driven security is very viable in high-sec, but you'll be hard-pressed to find anyone willing to pay for it, aside maybe from Vaerah.

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rampro
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-06-09 07:52:29 UTC
best defence would be to mine in low sec / null and have a carrier perma rep you ( you cannot be harmed now)
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#44 - 2012-06-09 08:06:41 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
No miner thinks that Concord acts as a deterrent to gankers, hence Concord cannot and do not provide miners a false sense of security.

Concord does act as a deterrent. They're not a guarantee that no harm will come to you, but there most certainly would be an upswing in ganking if Concord left high-sec.

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Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-06-09 08:09:51 UTC
rampro wrote:
best defence would be to mine in low sec / null and have a carrier perma rep you ( you cannot be harmed now)


yes please do this

triage quadruples the effectiveness of carrier RR so use triage!

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-06-09 08:13:55 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
There is no fit which can prevent a well planned alpha strike.


just like every other ship in the game?

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Bossy Lady
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#47 - 2012-06-09 08:56:10 UTC
Titan Diablo wrote:
figured they'd give a percentage to protect their investments by hiring corps for protection. or are they all that greedy that they'd rather eat the loss of a hulk?



It's extremely difficult to protect people who won't protect themselves. You can help protect them, but you can't do it for them.

For instance, it's trivially easy for even a Osprey to remote-rep a fully tanked Hulk being attacked by a Tornado, but a hundred pre-locked Basilisks can't save a zero tanked Hulk.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#48 - 2012-06-09 09:21:56 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:

From what I understand, miners are actually safer and more profitable in null, where security is provided by the group holding Sov, instead of some arbitrary game mechanic like Concord.


Yes but 0.0 renter corps are horrible (and despised) and pay some cash to be allowed there, real corps instead won't let you "just mine in peace".

I can't find a single reason for someone to go mine in nullsec. You are just better to farm anomalies and be a blobber. Free ship reimbursement, they actually think you are useful as just one more shooting warm body, no need to mine at all.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#49 - 2012-06-09 10:07:13 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
There is no fit which can prevent a well planned alpha strike.


just like every other ship in the game?


Agreed.

So perhaps folk will stop blaming the miners for not tanking their ship well enough.

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