Market Discussions

I understand who / what the main players are in OTEC, and the subsequent escalation in tech prices and tech-based products.

What I am not able to glean from the market volumes is if:

a. OTEC is merely managing sell price, but not supply to the market.
b. OTEC is managing sell price, and also limiting supply reaching the market

what she said

price is/was below long term optimal due to massive stockpiles. stockpiles dried up, cartel then directed price up as a cartel instead of waiting for the market to drive it there naturally.

best out of ass guesses for long term stable is 250k-300k pu

neutral parties would have no way of knowing

If they are running a cartel and setting the price above the market clearing price they are developing a surplus. This surplus is either replacing the stockpiles or being invested in their own assets (because even the Goons would not be immune to the Tecnium I mine is free fallacy).

They are probaly not devolping large surpluses though since demand for Tech is highly inelastic and price increases do not lower demand significantly. The need for Tech 2 items will remain relativly steady until the price of a substitute becomes price/performance competive (mostly meta 4 modultes and low end faction).

So very likley Goons are building a a) surplus or b) heavily discounting internally; the surplus is not enormous since making tech 2 PVP gear is often still profitable and this is a sign technim will continue to bought; the surplus will probaly be managable to ring mining throws a monkey wrench in the whole process.

Three amusing things about a cartel:

1.) The best way to profit from a cartel is not be a supplier not in the cartel (you can sell ALL your production at a price just below the cartels price.)

2.) The second best way to profit from a cartel is to cheat, you sell your cartel allotment at cartel price and your surplus slightly cheaper (getting caught is bad though)

3) The best way to maintain cartel is to back off the least effecient supply sources, but do to market forces of the increased prices everyone wants to increase suppply.

Goons are slipping a few of the normal problems that real worrld cartels have (they have real control over a large portion of the market, they can engage in bahavior (Hulkageddon) that has no real world equivilant, and the locked materials nature of BPOS and Tech moons in the game restricts the real world end runs that are possible versus a cartel

just in case ya'll couldn't figure this out, weaselior just inadvertently leaked our upcoming war plans.

No he just said the only only to solve world hunger is to shoot the hungry people.

FYI

there is a limit how far you can push any single resource in the game, for example, the glass ceiling of the hulk is about 300M isk, anything more and it becomes more practical and economical to mine in a Rokh, to raise hulk prices, they would have to raise the Rokh prices by raising the mineral prices, creating a vicous cycle that doesn't play into the hands of the resource in question.

There are things the goons can do to halt the economy to a grinding standstill, Im pretty sure their aware of it, but not taking it all the 100% way, maybe a reason for that?

Step 1
Kill ice miners

Step 2
????

Step 3
Dont over do it

Step 4
Profit!


Profits, is any one here surprised?

as for the OP
you should be asking for CCP to introduce mining equipment that can be equipped on ships you can tank out the ying yang, NOT rush CCP into introducing ring mining, because that's how I read it.

Let CCP finish their number crunching, so they can stick it to the oligarchs really good.

I don't see what's game breaking about removing T2. It's not like it's always been in game to begin with.

What I find and agree with and even posted about it on the GD forums, is about the miners: "don't overdo it".
You see what happens when fishers kill too much fish... they end up without profit.

We'd switch to water + solar + wind energy stuff and maybe nuclear reactors.

Humans are less limited than you think they are.

We are terrible resources grasshoppers, but awesome.

Well, there, I guess we now know the goons definitely don't have access to game feature development thank you for that inside information.

I smell a little bit of fear in those words, perhaps a weakness, perhaps some ones put all their eggs in one basket.

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"Goons will have T2 ships, every one else will not"

and so, blueprint copy's where created.

"Those who do not know their past, are condemned to repeat it"
George Santayana